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Are you kidding? It’s expected to replace the Falcon Heavy for LEO launches and further bring down the $/kg for launches. To say it only makes sense for Mars go
by GW150914 8y ago
Are you kidding? It’s expected to replace the Falcon Heavy for LEO launches and further bring down the $/kg for launches. To say it only makes sense for Mars goes against both common sense, and SpaceX’s own claims.
From Wikipedia:
BFR is planned to execute five diverse flight use cases:[75][5]
legacy Earth-orbit satellite delivery market
long-duration spaceflights in the cislunar region
Mars transportation, both as cargo ships as well as passenger-carrying transport
long-duration flights to the outer planets, for cargo and astronauts[76]
commercial passenger travel on Earth, competing with long-range aircraft[77]
Musk and Shotwell have touted the ability of BFR to carry passengers on suborbital flights between any two points on Earth in under one hour.[62][78]
Launching sattelites and ferrying people are things they can actually do alone, while the rest is very much a pipe dream requiring massive hpthird party investment. Again, putting aside “stuff Musk says” you’re left with strong commercial applications for BFR that have nothing to do with Mars. While it could be used for Mars, SpaceX has no plans to make that happen and acknowledged the vast amount of third party effort required.
See:
In July 2017, Musk indicated that the architecture had "evolved quite a bit" since the 2016 articulation of the Mars architecture. A key driver of the updated architecture was to be making the system useful for substantial Earth-orbit and cislunar launches so that the system might pay for itself, in part, through economic spaceflight activities in the near-Earth space zone.[49]
BFR is planned to execute five diverse flight use cases:[75][5]
legacy Earth-orbit satellite delivery market
long-duration spaceflights in the cislunar region
Mars transportation, both as cargo ships as well as passenger-carrying transport
long-duration flights to the outer planets, for cargo and astronauts[76]
commercial passenger travel on Earth, competing with long-range aircraft[77]
Musk and Shotwell have touted the ability of BFR to carry passengers on suborbital flights between any two points on Earth in under one hour.[62][78]
Finally
SpaceX have indicated that they only intend to create the transport system to Mars, and that other aspects of colonization (habitats, mining, etc.) will need to be contributed by third parties.[28] A successful colonization would ultimately involve many more economic actors—whether individuals, companies, or governments—to facilitate the growth of the human presence on Mars over many decades.[29][30][31][5][32] Work contributed by others will allow colonization to progress far beyond what SpaceX projects to build alone.[24]
- TeMPOraL 8y agoEverything here is completely consistent with what Musk has been saying from day one - he wants to open up Mars to humanity, not to colonize it by himself. As for BFR, so sure, they found some extra uses after reviewing newest design. They have to earn the money for the Mars mission. But the story has been completely transparent from day one - SpaceX is means to an end, to get people to Mars. All their developments - from reusable launches to BFR - are directly in line with this goal. If Musk was in for the money, there are many easier ways for a person with his resources to multiply their wealth. When you see a group of people that claim to pursue a particular goal, and then spend a decade doing exactly that, you should consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and assume they might be actually honest about it.
- GW150914 8y agoIt depends on how wealthy you want to be. If you want a few billion, no doubt. I’d you want Bezos money... much harder. If you want to be the first trillionaire, the equivalent of temple railroad barons for space? No, this is pretty much it. He already hit the first mark, and I think he’s aiming for the third with the second along the way. I also think he likes rocketry and being seen as a visionary and a hero, and PayPal money wasn’t going to get him any of that. He’s clearly very into risky endeavors and relentless self-promotion; his cult of personality didn’t build itself. He also clearly likes to make money, and win against the odds. I think if you look for the intersection of all of his more obvious needs and desires SpaceX makes sense in the commercial sense.
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- mikeash 8y agoI was thinking of various replies to this, but then I realized I don’t really want to have a conversation with someone who starts their comment with “Are you kidding?” Suffice to say that if you wanted to build a rocket to launch satellites as cheaply as possible, the result wouldn’t be an A380-sized spaceship with enough living space for a hundred people.