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> I don't understand why the Hawaiians are so negative about scientific progress. I find it sad (but not surprising) that outsiders would rephrase an intrusion

by ken 8y ago

> I don't understand why the Hawaiians are so negative about scientific progress. I find it sad (but not surprising) that outsiders would rephrase an intrusion into a sacred place in this way -- especially after they specifically clarified that "We are not here to protest astronomy". The fact that they're against it despite "economic incentives" and "scientific progress" should give a clue how important their culture is to them. Has your culture ever been threatened? Have you ever read the first chapter of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"? Why do you think Arthur was so negative about the construction of an efficient new bypass? Do you think he would have phrased his position that way?

sargun 8y ago
My culture is that of a progressive Bay Area liberal, who’s the child of immigrants. It’s under threat, but it’s also constantly changing, and shifting based on the global socioeconomic circumstances. Admittedly, I’d be pretty unhappy if someone wanted to take my house away without compensation. If someone got rid of a place a visited often, I’d be unhappy, but would I stop them? No. I think from my childhood, the only two places that are still around that I visit are the Exploratorium, and Golden Gate Park — both dramatically changed over the past few decades. If someone said, sorry, we’ve gotta pave over GGP to build an observatory to further US science, and we can build it here, China, or Russia — I would be unhappy, but understanding. I guess, I understand why these people are unhappy, in a general sense, but I can’t reconcile that with the fact that they’re impeding scientific progress, and putting US science behind.
- flashgordon 8y ago
  Well let us put it the other way. If scientific advancement was this important to you would you pay whatever price they are asking you to pay? (Assuming they and they alone come up with a price tag?)

by ken 8y ago

sargun 8y ago

My culture is that of a progressive Bay Area liberal, who’s the child of immigrants. It’s under threat, but it’s also constantly changing, and shifting based on the global socioeconomic circumstances. Admittedly, I’d be pretty unhappy if someone wanted to take my house away without compensation. If someone got rid of a place a visited often, I’d be unhappy, but would I stop them? No. I think from my childhood, the only two places that are still around that I visit are the Exploratorium, and Golden Gate Park — both dramatically changed over the past few decades. If someone said, sorry, we’ve gotta pave over GGP to build an observatory to further US science, and we can build it here, China, or Russia — I would be unhappy, but understanding. I guess, I understand why these people are unhappy, in a general sense, but I can’t reconcile that with the fact that they’re impeding scientific progress, and putting US science behind.

flashgordon 8y ago
Well let us put it the other way. If scientific advancement was this important to you would you pay whatever price they are asking you to pay? (Assuming they and they alone come up with a price tag?)