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If you look at the quote in context, what Obama was saying it clearly is nothing like you are spinning it. He was asking Latinxs voters to "punish" those who wo

If you look at the quote in context, what Obama was saying it clearly is nothing like you are spinning it. He was asking Latinxs voters to "punish" those who won't stand with them on certain issues, by voting against Republicans Compare this to the current president who calls a free press the "enemy of the people", threatens reporters with violence at his rallies, calls them scum and slime, and wants to quash any and all opposition to him, including wanting to revoke the right to broadcast from media that criticizes him. https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-trump-thinks-freedom-press-disgusting https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/freedom-press/donald-t... Hard to take seriously any feigned concerns of free speech, especially when we're talking about deplatforming white supremacists and violent conspiracy theorists on private networks. I urge you to read the ACLU link above and think critically if Trump sounds like someone who should be leading a free and healthy democracy.

rhapsodic 8y ago
>I urge you to read the ACLU link above and think critically if Trump sounds like someone who should be leading a free and healthy democracy. It's a lot freer and healthier under Trump than Obama. Aside from the roaring economy, the IRS is no longer meddling in elections, actively favoring one party over the other.
- moorhosj 8y ago
  So, you did you not read the link or just felt pivoting to the economy was somehow relevant to the health of our democracy?
throwaway8879 8y ago
If you think the IS is a free and healthy democracy, then I don't know what to tell you. Our perception of hegemonies change as the complexities and subtleties are magnified now more than ever, but a hegemony now is not any different from one a thousand years ago. America is as much a healthy democracy as the Roman republic.
furgooswft13 8y ago
While defending Obama from misrepresentation you are simultaneously misrepresenting Trump, spinning as you say. > calls a free press the "enemy of the people" He calls (what he considers) the "fake press" enemies of the people. That's his right, one well exercised by Democrats when referring to Fox News, Limbaugh etc. > threatens reporters with violence at his rallies Pointing to the news cameras and rallying up the crowd to turn and boo != "threatening reporters with violence", nor does retweeting a WWE meme. > wants to quash any and all opposition to him What does this even mean? Does he use the apparatus of the state to forcibly silence detractors? Or does he just talk and tweet a lot. It's pretty clear it's the latter. Honestly I just think he wants the media and Democrats to realize what a super Stable Genius he really is and go along with his plans to MAGA (which seems to consist of building a wall, cutting taxes, and levying tariffs). > healthy democracy You can't see right now but I'm rolling my eyes. Assuming malicious dictatorial intent and using the most inflammatory descriptions possible to political opponents goes back to at least GW, was used against Obama by Republicans, and continues (to the next level) with Trump. This does not a healthy democracy make. But, on the other hand, it's as free (as in speech) as ever, as long as you are not a conservative (sorry, white supremacist and/or violent conspiracy theorist) on private networks.

rhapsodic 8y ago

>I urge you to read the ACLU link above and think critically if Trump sounds like someone who should be leading a free and healthy democracy. It's a lot freer and healthier under Trump than Obama. Aside from the roaring economy, the IRS is no longer meddling in elections, actively favoring one party over the other.

moorhosj 8y ago
So, you did you not read the link or just felt pivoting to the economy was somehow relevant to the health of our democracy?

throwaway8879 8y ago

If you think the IS is a free and healthy democracy, then I don't know what to tell you. Our perception of hegemonies change as the complexities and subtleties are magnified now more than ever, but a hegemony now is not any different from one a thousand years ago. America is as much a healthy democracy as the Roman republic.

furgooswft13 8y ago

While defending Obama from misrepresentation you are simultaneously misrepresenting Trump, spinning as you say. > calls a free press the "enemy of the people" He calls (what he considers) the "fake press" enemies of the people. That's his right, one well exercised by Democrats when referring to Fox News, Limbaugh etc. > threatens reporters with violence at his rallies Pointing to the news cameras and rallying up the crowd to turn and boo != "threatening reporters with violence", nor does retweeting a WWE meme. > wants to quash any and all opposition to him What does this even mean? Does he use the apparatus of the state to forcibly silence detractors? Or does he just talk and tweet a lot. It's pretty clear it's the latter. Honestly I just think he wants the media and Democrats to realize what a super Stable Genius he really is and go along with his plans to MAGA (which seems to consist of building a wall, cutting taxes, and levying tariffs). > healthy democracy You can't see right now but I'm rolling my eyes. Assuming malicious dictatorial intent and using the most inflammatory descriptions possible to political opponents goes back to at least GW, was used against Obama by Republicans, and continues (to the next level) with Trump. This does not a healthy democracy make. But, on the other hand, it's as free (as in speech) as ever, as long as you are not a conservative (sorry, white supremacist and/or violent conspiracy theorist) on private networks.