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It's just business. Obedience to authority can make people do terrible things, as shown in the Milgram experiment, and in business you have a whole chain of au

It's just business. Obedience to authority can make people do terrible things, as shown in the Milgram experiment, and in business you have a whole chain of authorities.

chris_wot 8y ago
The Milgram experiment has been thoroughly discredited.
- abandonliberty 8y ago
  Source? The only item under validity on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity) is a book, rather than a journal, and it's far from thoroughly discrediting.
  - chris_wot 8y ago
    There are quite a few sources: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-electric-shocks-experiment-drew-wrong-conclusions-about-evil-say-psychologists-9712600.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-el... http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shocking-truth-of-stanley-milgrams-obedience-experiments/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shoc... https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper... In terms of a meta-analysis, try this one: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0098628316677644 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0098628316677644
    - abandonliberty 8y ago
      Thanks for sharing that was quite interesting. This one in particular argues: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 (1) willingness to perform unpleasant tasks is contingent upon identification with collective goals and (2) leaders cultivate identification with those goals by making them seem virtuous rather than vicious and thereby ameliorating the stress that achieving them entails. Quite interesting perspective on leadership. I suspect it's a bit of both. However, from your first link: "But many psychologists argue that even with methodological holes and moral lapses, the basic finding of Milgram’s work, the rate of obedience, still holds up. " Doesn't seem thoroughly discredited to me.
      - chris_wot 8y ago
        It's possible I over-egged the pudding. It would be more accurate to say that there are significant concerns with the experiment.
        abandonliberty 8y ago
        Fair enough, thanks again for sharing. There's definitely far more to Milgram's than I knew. Many insights.

It's just business. Obedience to authority can make people do terrible things, as shown in the Milgram experiment, and in business you have a whole chain of authorities.

chris_wot 8y ago

The Milgram experiment has been thoroughly discredited.

abandonliberty 8y ago
Source? The only item under validity on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity) is a book, rather than a journal, and it's far from thoroughly discrediting.
- chris_wot 8y ago
  There are quite a few sources: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-electric-shocks-experiment-drew-wrong-conclusions-about-evil-say-psychologists-9712600.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-el... http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shocking-truth-of-stanley-milgrams-obedience-experiments/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shoc... https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper... In terms of a meta-analysis, try this one: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0098628316677644 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0098628316677644
  - abandonliberty 8y ago
    Thanks for sharing that was quite interesting. This one in particular argues: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 (1) willingness to perform unpleasant tasks is contingent upon identification with collective goals and (2) leaders cultivate identification with those goals by making them seem virtuous rather than vicious and thereby ameliorating the stress that achieving them entails. Quite interesting perspective on leadership. I suspect it's a bit of both. However, from your first link: "But many psychologists argue that even with methodological holes and moral lapses, the basic finding of Milgram’s work, the rate of obedience, still holds up. " Doesn't seem thoroughly discredited to me.
    - chris_wot 8y ago
      It's possible I over-egged the pudding. It would be more accurate to say that there are significant concerns with the experiment.
      - abandonliberty 8y ago
        Fair enough, thanks again for sharing. There's definitely far more to Milgram's than I knew. Many insights.