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Yeah, this is absurd. If I am opted out of telemetry, that means don't send any fucking telemetry. That includes the fact that I opted out of telemetry. If you
by gergles 8y ago
Yeah, this is absurd. If I am opted out of telemetry, that means don't send any fucking telemetry. That includes the fact that I opted out of telemetry.
If you aren't going to let me opt out of telemetry, don't give me the option. It's clear Mozilla is absolutely desperate to get 'telemetry' data to justify the continued Mickey Mousing of Firefox and I will happily cast aspersions from here about how I'm sure they'll say "well only 2% of users don't send telemetry, so whatever data we get from it lets us drive all our development".
Edited to add: From the bug, you can go into about:config and add a New>Boolean pref "toolkit.telemetry.coverage.opt-out" and set it to true to opt out of this totally-not-telemetry telemetry.
- yborg 8y agoThis is what I have out of the box on 63b8: https://my.mixtape.moe/sjlprj.jpg https://my.mixtape.moe/sjlprj.jpg - Telemetry? No thank you. https://my.mixtape.moe/sflqrh.jpg https://my.mixtape.moe/sflqrh.jpg - Great! Have some extra telemetry on us! The locked toolkit.telemetry.enabled is my favorite part.
- rhelmer 8y agoIf I am understanding correctly, these are two separate things: - https://my.mixtape.moe/sjlprj.jpg https://my.mixtape.moe/sjlprj.jpg - this is whether data is reported to mozilla servers - https://my.mixtape.moe/sflqrh.jpg https://my.mixtape.moe/sflqrh.jpg - this is data collected locally You can see the latter in `about:telemetry`
- rhelmer 8y agoIf you are seeing something different please let me know!
- eli 8y agoIt seems wrong to assume malice
- gergles 8y agoEh, they snuck in a hidden extension to specifically send telemetry for people who don't want to send telemetry, and expressed publicly that that was the intent behind the extension. I'm not really assuming much malice there. I am assuming malice in how they'll use the data, but given their past track record of removing features based on telemetry data, I don't think I'm making too big a leap.
- sjwright 8y agoBut if they embedded the feature into the core rather than into an extension, that would have been okay? Seriously, you're complaining about an implementation detail.
- bigbugbag 8y agoYou mistaken, the issue is not about extension or core, the issue is that they specifically added code to track and monitor people who expressedly choose not to be tracked or monitored by mozilla. telemetry used to be opt in, it's been changed to opt out. And now those who have opted out have their own special telemetry that cannot be disabled.
- sjwright 8y agoUnless you never use your web browser to visit any website ever, I just don't see what the issue is here. The information they're gathering is outrageously trivial and thoroughly anonymised. This whole discussion shows an absurd lack of perspective by some people, particularly in the light of what Chrome does... or what Android does... or what LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TCP CONNECTION TO LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE ON THE INTERNET does...
- rhelmer 8y agoThe intent was to express publicly, and then send an update that reflected this. Would it feel less "[sneaked] in" if this were a core feature in Firefox?
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- bigbugbag 8y agoA better workaround to this mess is to switch from firefox to waterfox: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/ https://www.waterfoxproject.org/