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Galileo was friends with the pope, but then called him an idiot in one of his books (named a character "the idiot" that used the Pope's arguments). That is why

by nonbel 8y ago

Galileo was friends with the pope, but then called him an idiot in one of his books (named a character "the idiot" that used the Pope's arguments). That is why he got imprisoned.

acqq 8y ago
> Galileo was friends with the pope, but then called him an idiot in one of his books (named a character "the idiot" that used the Pope's arguments). That is why he got imprisoned. No. That would be just blaming the victim. 1) The character was named "Simplicio" as "simple", but it didn't really represent the pope: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_Concerning_the_Two_Chief_World_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_Concerning_the_Two_Ch... "Simplicio is modeled on two contemporary conservative philosophers, Lodovico delle Colombe (1565–1616?), Galileo's opponent, and Cesare Cremonini" 2) Being friend with the Pope earlier just protected him from Inquisition between 1616 and 1632. But even as Galileo was in better relations he was already in danger. In 1632 the trial depended on the statement that Galileo was already "ordered" in 1616, that is, 16 years earlier: "... to abandon completely... the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing" So once Galileo lost the support at the highest level the Church did what it did. I don't understand why there are even today so much people trying to defend the Catholic Church of these times. The facts are plain and clear. To compare with more modern times, the leader on Nazi Germany also intervened to protect one Jew from Holocaust (Ernest Hess) but it doesn't make any argument that Nazism or the "Leader" were otherwise not mass killing Jews by a clear policy. Or that those who were killed somehow caused it themselves by lacking social skills.
- nonbel 8y ago
  How is this defending the church? It was clearly a totalitarian organization where if you pissed off the wrong person they would find an excuse to imprison or torture you.
  - acqq 8y ago
    The defending is by these that claim that Galileo apparently wouldn’t have any problem without the weakening of his once good relations with the pope.

by nonbel 8y ago

Galileo was friends with the pope, but then called him an idiot in one of his books (named a character "the idiot" that used the Pope's arguments). That is why he got imprisoned.

acqq 8y ago

> Galileo was friends with the pope, but then called him an idiot in one of his books (named a character "the idiot" that used the Pope's arguments). That is why he got imprisoned. No. That would be just blaming the victim. 1) The character was named "Simplicio" as "simple", but it didn't really represent the pope: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_Concerning_the_Two_Chief_World_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue_Concerning_the_Two_Ch... "Simplicio is modeled on two contemporary conservative philosophers, Lodovico delle Colombe (1565–1616?), Galileo's opponent, and Cesare Cremonini" 2) Being friend with the Pope earlier just protected him from Inquisition between 1616 and 1632. But even as Galileo was in better relations he was already in danger. In 1632 the trial depended on the statement that Galileo was already "ordered" in 1616, that is, 16 years earlier: "... to abandon completely... the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing" So once Galileo lost the support at the highest level the Church did what it did. I don't understand why there are even today so much people trying to defend the Catholic Church of these times. The facts are plain and clear. To compare with more modern times, the leader on Nazi Germany also intervened to protect one Jew from Holocaust (Ernest Hess) but it doesn't make any argument that Nazism or the "Leader" were otherwise not mass killing Jews by a clear policy. Or that those who were killed somehow caused it themselves by lacking social skills.

nonbel 8y ago
How is this defending the church? It was clearly a totalitarian organization where if you pissed off the wrong person they would find an excuse to imprison or torture you.
- acqq 8y ago
  The defending is by these that claim that Galileo apparently wouldn’t have any problem without the weakening of his once good relations with the pope.