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Can anyone summarise the article for those of us in Europe? We can't get the LA Times here. What has changed this year - wild fires? Or is it the problem of t

Can anyone summarise the article for those of us in Europe? We can't get the LA Times here. What has changed this year - wild fires? Or is it the problem of ten million cars pissing in the pool with no wind to clear the air. Do tell.

jedberg 8y ago
> We can't get the LA Times here. You should let your MEP know how upset you are about that... TL;DR: We don't know why exactly, but it's a bad sign and action should be taken. But it's only slightly out of normal for this time of year.
- ItsMe000001 8y ago
  So.... my MEP calls the LA Times to forward my complaint? If I would want to complain, why should I not tell them directly? If you want to claim it's an issue of that much discussed EU law, plenty (or even most) of US websites don't have an issue serving their content to me, from NY Times, Washington Post - even Fox News has no problems (I would suspect them to be the first ones to complain about the EU)! To me that shows it's not a problem with EU law, but one with relevant people in power at the LA Times. I don't see how a message to an MEP could solve that, unless you think the EU should give in every time somebody in the US has a complaint - valid or not.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    The LA Times has decided that the cost of compliance with GDPR is not worth the effort since they don't get any ad dollars from Europeans. That's because the GDPR is such a quagmire that it requires expensive consultants to audit compliance, and since it is untested in courts, they're not even sure they are in compliance when they are done. A lot of local US papers have made the same choice, the LA times just happens to be one of the biggest. Let your MEP know that the next time they want to write an extra-territorial law about technology, they should get some technologists to help them write it so that it actually makes sense.
    - ItsMe000001 8y ago
      I refer back to what I wrote. I wish you would have read my comment instead of being in "auto-reply" mode, because it sure looks like you completely ignore 100% of what I wrote. Seems to me like you just wanted to say your prepared talking points that you picked up elsewhere.
specializeded 8y ago
I’d do just that but I’m not sure if it’s legal in Europe either ;) Jokes, full article: https://outline.com/CrmCSK https://outline.com/CrmCSK
- kwhitefoot 8y ago
  That's a useful site. It reduces the Daily Fail to a single paragraph!
Theodores 8y ago
"Environmentalists and community groups say the string of smoggy days is a symptom of insufficient regulation. They criticize air quality officials as too quick to blame the weather when they could be doing more to crack down on some of the biggest hubs of pollution, including truck-choked warehouses and ports and oil refineries." That is okay then, you down voting types keep on driving your cars whilst you blame the pollution on others.
saltcured 8y ago
I don't have hard data to back this up, but a number of my coworkers including a weekend sailor all feel that the general coastal climate and wind patterns have changed compared to what we remember from 20 years ago. There seems to be much less of the strongly seasonal offshore flow (the Santa Ana winds) reaching us at the coast. This used to be a regular thing ramping up in the late summer and fall with huge wind gusts damaging local trees etc. Now, it seems like we hear about winds up in the mountains but they run out of energy (or lift above the surface?) before reaching the coast, while we can definitely feel the grit and see the brown, dirty layer of air extend out over the ocean. Similarly, we have all commented on the disturbance in the strongly seasonal pattern of onshore flow (June Gloom). We remember more contrast between foggy mornings with the marine layer reaching many miles inland on some mornings but retreating and burning off, tending to blue skies in mid summer. In recent years, the marine layer seems to visit randomly throughout the year and it often seems to just park slightly off shore or mere blocks inland, with haze and humidity instead of sharp boundary between blue sky and fog. In our coastal area between LAX and Santa Monica, we haven't had the obvious wildfire smoke impact that I saw during visits to the S.F. Bay Area this year.

jedberg 8y ago

> We can't get the LA Times here. You should let your MEP know how upset you are about that... TL;DR: We don't know why exactly, but it's a bad sign and action should be taken. But it's only slightly out of normal for this time of year.

ItsMe000001 8y ago
So.... my MEP calls the LA Times to forward my complaint? If I would want to complain, why should I not tell them directly? If you want to claim it's an issue of that much discussed EU law, plenty (or even most) of US websites don't have an issue serving their content to me, from NY Times, Washington Post - even Fox News has no problems (I would suspect them to be the first ones to complain about the EU)! To me that shows it's not a problem with EU law, but one with relevant people in power at the LA Times. I don't see how a message to an MEP could solve that, unless you think the EU should give in every time somebody in the US has a complaint - valid or not.
- jedberg 8y ago
  The LA Times has decided that the cost of compliance with GDPR is not worth the effort since they don't get any ad dollars from Europeans. That's because the GDPR is such a quagmire that it requires expensive consultants to audit compliance, and since it is untested in courts, they're not even sure they are in compliance when they are done. A lot of local US papers have made the same choice, the LA times just happens to be one of the biggest. Let your MEP know that the next time they want to write an extra-territorial law about technology, they should get some technologists to help them write it so that it actually makes sense.
  - ItsMe000001 8y ago
    I refer back to what I wrote. I wish you would have read my comment instead of being in "auto-reply" mode, because it sure looks like you completely ignore 100% of what I wrote. Seems to me like you just wanted to say your prepared talking points that you picked up elsewhere.

specializeded 8y ago

I’d do just that but I’m not sure if it’s legal in Europe either ;) Jokes, full article: https://outline.com/CrmCSK https://outline.com/CrmCSK

kwhitefoot 8y ago
That's a useful site. It reduces the Daily Fail to a single paragraph!

Theodores 8y ago

"Environmentalists and community groups say the string of smoggy days is a symptom of insufficient regulation. They criticize air quality officials as too quick to blame the weather when they could be doing more to crack down on some of the biggest hubs of pollution, including truck-choked warehouses and ports and oil refineries." That is okay then, you down voting types keep on driving your cars whilst you blame the pollution on others.

saltcured 8y ago

I don't have hard data to back this up, but a number of my coworkers including a weekend sailor all feel that the general coastal climate and wind patterns have changed compared to what we remember from 20 years ago. There seems to be much less of the strongly seasonal offshore flow (the Santa Ana winds) reaching us at the coast. This used to be a regular thing ramping up in the late summer and fall with huge wind gusts damaging local trees etc. Now, it seems like we hear about winds up in the mountains but they run out of energy (or lift above the surface?) before reaching the coast, while we can definitely feel the grit and see the brown, dirty layer of air extend out over the ocean. Similarly, we have all commented on the disturbance in the strongly seasonal pattern of onshore flow (June Gloom). We remember more contrast between foggy mornings with the marine layer reaching many miles inland on some mornings but retreating and burning off, tending to blue skies in mid summer. In recent years, the marine layer seems to visit randomly throughout the year and it often seems to just park slightly off shore or mere blocks inland, with haze and humidity instead of sharp boundary between blue sky and fog. In our coastal area between LAX and Santa Monica, we haven't had the obvious wildfire smoke impact that I saw during visits to the S.F. Bay Area this year.