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How doable is a anonymous ipfs torrent tracker?

by xanth 8y ago

furi 8y ago
I don't know about IPFS, but ZeroNet (another distributed internet project) has a couple.
- xf86alsa 8y ago
  ZeroNet really is the perfect platform for this. Web-based, users can submit content, entirely p2p, very nice UI. It's the perfect platform, but nobody knows about it. If you're interested, you can download and check it out here: https://zeronet.io https://zeronet.io You can also check it out without installing anything by visiting my proxy: https://zn.amorgan.xyz https://zn.amorgan.xyz Play is one such ZeroNet site for movies: http://localhost:43110/zeroplay.bit http://localhost:43110/zeroplay.bit https://zn.amorgan.xyz/zeroplay.bit https://zn.amorgan.xyz/zeroplay.bit Funnily enough TorrentFreak is mirrored on ZeroNet: http://localhost:43110/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ http://localhost:43110/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ And a wiki if you're interested in learning more: http://localhost:43110/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ http://localhost:43110/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/
  - admax88q 8y ago
    From the FAQ > It's no more anonymous than BitTorrent, but privacy (the possibility to find out who is the owner of the comment/site) will increase as the network and the sites gains more peers. I think users are much better off using something anonymous out of the box like I2P which has simple out of box support for downloading torrents anonymously.
    - furi 8y ago
      It has Tor integration out of the box (obviously I haven't audited it, but in theory that's enough).
      - TACIXAT 8y ago
        Don't use Tor for torrenting! [1] The network is not meant for providing fast downloads, it's there for providing anonymity. There is no reason to effectively DoS the network and get crappy speeds when you can simply pay a few bucks a month for a VPN that supports port forwarding. 1. https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-id...
        furi 8y ago
        Not for torrenting, for accessing/delivering ZeroNet sites over. (i.e. connecting to the torrent tracker to get the magnet in the first place).
        xf86alsa 8y ago
        Yeah no torrenting is done over Tor here :) It's worth mentioning that ever since ZeroNet gained its BigFiles plugin, you can directly stream and watch the videos on ZeroNet. Just that nobody has made a nice interface for it yet. There's sites like [KopyKate](https://zn.amorgan.xyz/big.kopykate.bit/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/big.kopykate.bit/), but they've sort of fallen downhill as the dev has stopped updating it.
  - dtx1 8y ago
    And you should probably get the nopelist as a blacklist on your zeronet...Fucking Pedophiles ruining everything anonymous...
    - SSLy 8y ago
      Which nopelist?
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    ZeroNet's UI is surprisingly excellent. It feels extremely polished and has numerous applications already. It should be much more popular than it is. I'm afraid I don't know much about how anonymous it is, though.
georgyo 8y ago
Ipfs is very cool, but is not anonymous nor is a goal of the project.
- cmsj 8y ago
  https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/37 https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/37 is one possible solution to anonymous IPFS.
kodablah 8y ago
Totally doable. Here I built a proof of concept of a DHT over Tor using IPFS's DHT libs: https://github.com/cretz/tor-dht-poc https://github.com/cretz/tor-dht-poc. I even went so far as making it readable (but not participate-able yet) via JS in Tor Browser though it's IPFS doing the heavy lifting. I would guess you'd just start a different IPFS network, not the main one, and have a set of reliable onions as bootstrap nodes. Then just store the torrent info from its hash like BT mainline and I guess have people pin it. I have not dug too deeply, but in general an entire IPFS network all over Tor is very doable. Now, that's for a tracker, for actually downloading the data that's a different deal.

How doable is a anonymous ipfs torrent tracker?

by xanth 8y ago

How doable is a anonymous ipfs torrent tracker?

furi 8y ago

I don't know about IPFS, but ZeroNet (another distributed internet project) has a couple.

xf86alsa 8y ago
ZeroNet really is the perfect platform for this. Web-based, users can submit content, entirely p2p, very nice UI. It's the perfect platform, but nobody knows about it. If you're interested, you can download and check it out here: https://zeronet.io https://zeronet.io You can also check it out without installing anything by visiting my proxy: https://zn.amorgan.xyz https://zn.amorgan.xyz Play is one such ZeroNet site for movies: http://localhost:43110/zeroplay.bit http://localhost:43110/zeroplay.bit https://zn.amorgan.xyz/zeroplay.bit https://zn.amorgan.xyz/zeroplay.bit Funnily enough TorrentFreak is mirrored on ZeroNet: http://localhost:43110/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ http://localhost:43110/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/1JNqdTGVATFWRLzzYwVu19CuWYus5VmoUS/ And a wiki if you're interested in learning more: http://localhost:43110/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ http://localhost:43110/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/138R53t3ZW7KDfSfxVpWUsMXgwUnsDNXLP/
- admax88q 8y ago
  From the FAQ > It's no more anonymous than BitTorrent, but privacy (the possibility to find out who is the owner of the comment/site) will increase as the network and the sites gains more peers. I think users are much better off using something anonymous out of the box like I2P which has simple out of box support for downloading torrents anonymously.
  - furi 8y ago
    It has Tor integration out of the box (obviously I haven't audited it, but in theory that's enough).
    - TACIXAT 8y ago
      Don't use Tor for torrenting! [1] The network is not meant for providing fast downloads, it's there for providing anonymity. There is no reason to effectively DoS the network and get crappy speeds when you can simply pay a few bucks a month for a VPN that supports port forwarding. 1. https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea https://blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-id...
      - furi 8y ago
        Not for torrenting, for accessing/delivering ZeroNet sites over. (i.e. connecting to the torrent tracker to get the magnet in the first place).
      - xf86alsa 8y ago
        Yeah no torrenting is done over Tor here :) It's worth mentioning that ever since ZeroNet gained its BigFiles plugin, you can directly stream and watch the videos on ZeroNet. Just that nobody has made a nice interface for it yet. There's sites like [KopyKate](https://zn.amorgan.xyz/big.kopykate.bit/ https://zn.amorgan.xyz/big.kopykate.bit/), but they've sort of fallen downhill as the dev has stopped updating it.
- dtx1 8y ago
  And you should probably get the nopelist as a blacklist on your zeronet...Fucking Pedophiles ruining everything anonymous...
  - SSLy 8y ago
    Which nopelist?
- StavrosK 8y ago
  ZeroNet's UI is surprisingly excellent. It feels extremely polished and has numerous applications already. It should be much more popular than it is. I'm afraid I don't know much about how anonymous it is, though.

georgyo 8y ago

Ipfs is very cool, but is not anonymous nor is a goal of the project.

cmsj 8y ago
https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/37 https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/37 is one possible solution to anonymous IPFS.

kodablah 8y ago

Totally doable. Here I built a proof of concept of a DHT over Tor using IPFS's DHT libs: https://github.com/cretz/tor-dht-poc https://github.com/cretz/tor-dht-poc. I even went so far as making it readable (but not participate-able yet) via JS in Tor Browser though it's IPFS doing the heavy lifting. I would guess you'd just start a different IPFS network, not the main one, and have a set of reliable onions as bootstrap nodes. Then just store the torrent info from its hash like BT mainline and I guess have people pin it. I have not dug too deeply, but in general an entire IPFS network all over Tor is very doable. Now, that's for a tracker, for actually downloading the data that's a different deal.