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As a radical leftist, when im criticizing capitalism, im not saying that it's worse than what we had in the past, but that we are doing way less than we could t

As a radical leftist, when im criticizing capitalism, im not saying that it's worse than what we had in the past, but that we are doing way less than we could to have a better system.

cheschire 8y ago
Hmm. Left-wing politics is about liberalism and equality, yes? I believe what you meant was as a radical progressive, which is more focused on reforming and improving society. That liberalism is associated with progressivism seems to take away from progressive right-wingers which may believe in the inherent inequality of certain inevitable social structures, but work to abolish or reform broken regulation. I do not intend to imply my political beliefs here. I'm simply saying perhaps you meant progressive.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Left-wing politics is about liberalism and equality, yes? No. Not in either of the sensed “liberalism” is currently used. Equality, yes, in a manner particularly opposed to the structural inequities of capitalism, but not liberalism, which is either about capitalism or a viewpoint which seeks to maintain capitalism a while moderating certain inequities within it, depending on which of th current usages of “liberalism” you refer to. > I believe what you meant was as a radical progressive “Radical progressive” is a phrase used in US politics go refer to a certain range of left-wing positions. > That liberalism is associated with progressivism It's not, though one of the senses of liberalism is adjacent to progressivism. > seems to take away from progressive right-wingers While the term “progressive right-wingers” may not be nonsensical in some historical usages of “progressive”, it is simply oxymoronic in the current usage. > which may believe in the inherent inequality of certain inevitable social structures, but work to abolish or reform broken regulation. You seem to be using “progressive” as simply anyone who seeks change from the status quo to realize their political values, which is a novel use. The grandparent used “radical leftist” correctly.
  - cheschire 8y ago
    I was actually going straight off the wiki definitions.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > I was actually going straight off the wiki definitions. Asssuming the wiki you are referring to is Wikipedia, you seem to have paid attention only to the first sentence of each article.
claydavisss 8y ago
Problem is, the "system" you would "design" to replace capitalism would include charming attributes like exit visas and quite possibly conclude that the "people" would be better off if 10% of them were liquidated for the benefit of the others.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Problem is, the "system" you would "design" to replace capitalism would include charming attributes like exit visas and quite possibly conclude that the "people" would be better off if 10% of them were liquidated for the benefit of the others. If you're just going to debate a strawman instead of the actual poster and their actual comment, why bother showing up?
- SpecialistEMT 8y ago
  you're just putting words in my mouth now.

As a radical leftist, when im criticizing capitalism, im not saying that it's worse than what we had in the past, but that we are doing way less than we could to have a better system.

cheschire 8y ago

Hmm. Left-wing politics is about liberalism and equality, yes? I believe what you meant was as a radical progressive, which is more focused on reforming and improving society. That liberalism is associated with progressivism seems to take away from progressive right-wingers which may believe in the inherent inequality of certain inevitable social structures, but work to abolish or reform broken regulation. I do not intend to imply my political beliefs here. I'm simply saying perhaps you meant progressive.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> Left-wing politics is about liberalism and equality, yes? No. Not in either of the sensed “liberalism” is currently used. Equality, yes, in a manner particularly opposed to the structural inequities of capitalism, but not liberalism, which is either about capitalism or a viewpoint which seeks to maintain capitalism a while moderating certain inequities within it, depending on which of th current usages of “liberalism” you refer to. > I believe what you meant was as a radical progressive “Radical progressive” is a phrase used in US politics go refer to a certain range of left-wing positions. > That liberalism is associated with progressivism It's not, though one of the senses of liberalism is adjacent to progressivism. > seems to take away from progressive right-wingers While the term “progressive right-wingers” may not be nonsensical in some historical usages of “progressive”, it is simply oxymoronic in the current usage. > which may believe in the inherent inequality of certain inevitable social structures, but work to abolish or reform broken regulation. You seem to be using “progressive” as simply anyone who seeks change from the status quo to realize their political values, which is a novel use. The grandparent used “radical leftist” correctly.
- cheschire 8y ago
  I was actually going straight off the wiki definitions.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > I was actually going straight off the wiki definitions. Asssuming the wiki you are referring to is Wikipedia, you seem to have paid attention only to the first sentence of each article.

claydavisss 8y ago

Problem is, the "system" you would "design" to replace capitalism would include charming attributes like exit visas and quite possibly conclude that the "people" would be better off if 10% of them were liquidated for the benefit of the others.

krapp 8y ago
>Problem is, the "system" you would "design" to replace capitalism would include charming attributes like exit visas and quite possibly conclude that the "people" would be better off if 10% of them were liquidated for the benefit of the others. If you're just going to debate a strawman instead of the actual poster and their actual comment, why bother showing up?
SpecialistEMT 8y ago
you're just putting words in my mouth now.