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Take the train, if possible. Its not quite as convenient, but at least it is leisurely.

Vivtek 16y ago
That would work great if America still had a train system. I always worried about this when we lived in Puerto Rico. Due to the Jones Act, there are no passenger ships to the island - to leave, you have to fly.
- rubyrescue 16y ago
  There's nothing i can find on the Jones Act banning passenger ships - only making Puerto Ricans US citizens - can you elaborate?
  - Vivtek 16y ago
    Ah. The Jones Act also specifies that all ships traveling between American ports must be (1) made in America, (2) registered in America, (3) owned by Americans, and (4) crewed by Americans. The consequence is that the market can't actually bear passenger travel between American ports. So there isn't any. At all. Hasn't been for decades. Unless you own and sail your own boat, you can't get there from here except by air. Weird - and definitely an unintended consequence. The Puerto Ricans are quite aware of it. But as long as shipyard labor on the East Coast continues to support protectionism no matter how meaningless, there will continue to be no passenger shipping to Puerto Rico.
    - davidw 16y ago
      By way of a control, is there passenger ship traffic to Jamaica, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, other islands in that region, or Cancun?
      - Vivtek 16y ago
        I don't actually know - I never lived in those places. The situations are complex, though: Haiti and the Dominican Republic are very poor and might not have the market, and Jamaica and Cancun are further from the mainland, thus shipping would be disproportionately slower. It might be interesting to look at when passenger routes died out. For instance, there is only intermittent ferry trade with the Bahamas from Florida, even though they're very close - but the market is marginal given the low cost of air travel right now. I would guess that passenger routes to Puerto Rico were eliminated before those to the Bahamas, but ... I don't really know. This is an interesting point - but wow, it would take a lot more research than I'm able to do in order to answer it.
        davidw 16y ago
        Nitpicking: Cancun is closer to Miami than Puerto Rico by my reading of a map, and Jamaica is about the same distance if you consider that you'd have to sail around Cuba to get to it.
stonemetal 16y ago
In the US at least going by train is about like walking. Going from Dallas to Austin is about 3-4 hours by car a short enough trip you wouldn't think about flying but long enough that you would like to avoid driving. By train that is 7 hours. Looking at Dallas to Denver a 12-14 hour car trip, something where the few hour flight would be an option. By train that is 48hrs one way. so to visit a friend my options are: 24hours in a car, 4 hours by plane, and 4 days on a train. The train ride would cost about the same amount as the plane ride, and the car ride would be dollars spent cheaper but not by much.

That would work great if America still had a train system. I always worried about this when we lived in Puerto Rico. Due to the Jones Act, there are no passenger ships to the island - to leave, you have to fly.

rubyrescue 16y ago
There's nothing i can find on the Jones Act banning passenger ships - only making Puerto Ricans US citizens - can you elaborate?
- Vivtek 16y ago
  Ah. The Jones Act also specifies that all ships traveling between American ports must be (1) made in America, (2) registered in America, (3) owned by Americans, and (4) crewed by Americans. The consequence is that the market can't actually bear passenger travel between American ports. So there isn't any. At all. Hasn't been for decades. Unless you own and sail your own boat, you can't get there from here except by air. Weird - and definitely an unintended consequence. The Puerto Ricans are quite aware of it. But as long as shipyard labor on the East Coast continues to support protectionism no matter how meaningless, there will continue to be no passenger shipping to Puerto Rico.
  - davidw 16y ago
    By way of a control, is there passenger ship traffic to Jamaica, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, other islands in that region, or Cancun?
    - Vivtek 16y ago
      I don't actually know - I never lived in those places. The situations are complex, though: Haiti and the Dominican Republic are very poor and might not have the market, and Jamaica and Cancun are further from the mainland, thus shipping would be disproportionately slower. It might be interesting to look at when passenger routes died out. For instance, there is only intermittent ferry trade with the Bahamas from Florida, even though they're very close - but the market is marginal given the low cost of air travel right now. I would guess that passenger routes to Puerto Rico were eliminated before those to the Bahamas, but ... I don't really know. This is an interesting point - but wow, it would take a lot more research than I'm able to do in order to answer it.
      - davidw 16y ago
        Nitpicking: Cancun is closer to Miami than Puerto Rico by my reading of a map, and Jamaica is about the same distance if you consider that you'd have to sail around Cuba to get to it.

stonemetal 16y ago

In the US at least going by train is about like walking. Going from Dallas to Austin is about 3-4 hours by car a short enough trip you wouldn't think about flying but long enough that you would like to avoid driving. By train that is 7 hours. Looking at Dallas to Denver a 12-14 hour car trip, something where the few hour flight would be an option. By train that is 48hrs one way. so to visit a friend my options are: 24hours in a car, 4 hours by plane, and 4 days on a train. The train ride would cost about the same amount as the plane ride, and the car ride would be dollars spent cheaper but not by much.