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Sure, that can be a problem. However, it's completely irrelevant to the problem of server-side storage, as the comment I replied to was citing. (Server-side st

Sure, that can be a problem. However, it's completely irrelevant to the problem of server-side storage, as the comment I replied to was citing. (Server-side storage is a non-issue, due to the encryption protocols in use. It doesn't matter if you distrust Facebook, they aren't going to be able to read your messages. End of.)

reitanqild 8y ago
I avoid WhatsApp but this is correct AFAIK (given that they don't push a malicious client at some point.) The main problems with WhatsApp are as I can see: - they scoop up metadata - they upload the data more or less plaintext to Google for backup. (I personally dislike but trust Google but not everyone trusts them.) - they paid way to much for it to not try to monetize it in all kinds of crazy ways
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  > given that they don't push a malicious client at some point How do we know this hasn't happened already? How do we know it won't happen tomorrow?
  - Operyl 8y ago
    Because there are a number of people constantly reverse engineering these clients to be sure that it doesn’t.
    - shshhdhs 8y ago
      This doesn’t really help as much as you seem to hope for. As a counterpoint, I would like to introduce you to the Underhanded competitions: http://www.underhanded-c.org http://www.underhanded-c.org https://underhandedcrypto.com https://underhandedcrypto.com
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  - reitanqild 8y ago
    > How do we know this hasn't happened already? As has been pointed out here in the chat already: Scott (and others) have reverse engineered it. > How do we know it won't happen tomorrow? Consequences. Even Facebook seems to realize that is the nuclear option. That said there is a number of places this can still go wrong, but they are equally true for any mainstream client (edit:) and non mainstream clients have their own issues. Personally neither like nor trust Facebook at all so I try to minimize contact.

reitanqild 8y ago

I avoid WhatsApp but this is correct AFAIK (given that they don't push a malicious client at some point.) The main problems with WhatsApp are as I can see: - they scoop up metadata - they upload the data more or less plaintext to Google for backup. (I personally dislike but trust Google but not everyone trusts them.) - they paid way to much for it to not try to monetize it in all kinds of crazy ways

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
> given that they don't push a malicious client at some point How do we know this hasn't happened already? How do we know it won't happen tomorrow?
- Operyl 8y ago
  Because there are a number of people constantly reverse engineering these clients to be sure that it doesn’t.
  - shshhdhs 8y ago
    This doesn’t really help as much as you seem to hope for. As a counterpoint, I would like to introduce you to the Underhanded competitions: http://www.underhanded-c.org http://www.underhanded-c.org https://underhandedcrypto.com https://underhandedcrypto.com
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- reitanqild 8y ago
  > How do we know this hasn't happened already? As has been pointed out here in the chat already: Scott (and others) have reverse engineered it. > How do we know it won't happen tomorrow? Consequences. Even Facebook seems to realize that is the nuclear option. That said there is a number of places this can still go wrong, but they are equally true for any mainstream client (edit:) and non mainstream clients have their own issues. Personally neither like nor trust Facebook at all so I try to minimize contact.