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A lot of left wing Americans seemingly threw out their ability to question once the DNC started making claims that Russia was responsible for Trump. They trust

A lot of left wing Americans seemingly threw out their ability to question once the DNC started making claims that Russia was responsible for Trump. They trust these people hands down, without realizing that Mueller was instrumental in lying about the Iraq WMD's [1]. While I'm glad massive fraud charges are being brought up on Trump's friends & cabinet, I'm hesitant to not seriously question anything about foreign influence from the same people who lied us into the Iraq war. [1] https://youtu.be/uTDO-kuOGTQ https://youtu.be/uTDO-kuOGTQ

jessaustin 8y ago
From that perspective, it's possible to see Trump's schizophrenic foreign policy as a sort of negotiation from his previous stated position of non-interventionism. He could get away with peace talks with Kim only by countering them with saber-rattling toward Iran. He has avoided the planned Syrian War but still managed to drop bombs in Syria. The military-industrial-media complex wants Endless War, and they were only too happy to corrupt progressives in order to pressure Trump. The biggest risk now is that D's take back both houses, and Trump starts another disastrous war in order to avoid impeachment and removal from office.
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  Why would you need to threaten war with Iran in order to have peace talks with NK?
  - a_tractor 8y ago
    Its about who is pulling the strings. Obviously NK doesnt care about the US'relationship with Iran, and visa versa. What OP is talking about, the people who Trump is "negotiating" with on this level, desire an "existential threat" "boogey man" they can use to fear monger and mind control their constituents into a state of distraction and permissiveness, among many other purposes. The idea here is that Trump was able to trade peace with NK if he allows the creation of a new one, Iran. Iran might serve these interests better than NK, and NK might serve Trumps'. I'm not saying I agree with that assessment or not, but it is interesting. Its all behind-the-scenes realpolitik. Who really knows.
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    Because the military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex exerts an enormous influence over American politics, both domestic and foreign, and if they want war: they get it. (cf., the last 40 years of illegal American wars.) All this attacking-the-figurehead is really doing, is distracting the public from the real cause of trouble in American politics today: the Generals. The Pentagon is a significant source of turmoil in the world - for anyone to think that this doesn't apply to the President, is just plain nuts. Nobody exerts more pressure for war, more war, endless, holy war, on an American President than the Pentagon and its complex of intricate corporate lackeys, financiers, courtesans and pimps...
    - rurban 8y ago
      The generals are also just dominos of the business interests. The US industry generals are driving the endless wars, through the generals, CIA, bought politicians and bought press.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  To see that "progressives" don't oppose the military-industrial complex anymore, note that not a single Democrat voted against Trump's "massively increase military spending and bombing children in Yemen" bill. Only Bernie and seven Republicans: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00211#position https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...

jessaustin 8y ago

From that perspective, it's possible to see Trump's schizophrenic foreign policy as a sort of negotiation from his previous stated position of non-interventionism. He could get away with peace talks with Kim only by countering them with saber-rattling toward Iran. He has avoided the planned Syrian War but still managed to drop bombs in Syria. The military-industrial-media complex wants Endless War, and they were only too happy to corrupt progressives in order to pressure Trump. The biggest risk now is that D's take back both houses, and Trump starts another disastrous war in order to avoid impeachment and removal from office.

oh_sigh 8y ago
Why would you need to threaten war with Iran in order to have peace talks with NK?
- a_tractor 8y ago
  Its about who is pulling the strings. Obviously NK doesnt care about the US'relationship with Iran, and visa versa. What OP is talking about, the people who Trump is "negotiating" with on this level, desire an "existential threat" "boogey man" they can use to fear monger and mind control their constituents into a state of distraction and permissiveness, among many other purposes. The idea here is that Trump was able to trade peace with NK if he allows the creation of a new one, Iran. Iran might serve these interests better than NK, and NK might serve Trumps'. I'm not saying I agree with that assessment or not, but it is interesting. Its all behind-the-scenes realpolitik. Who really knows.
- mmjaa 8y ago
  Because the military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex exerts an enormous influence over American politics, both domestic and foreign, and if they want war: they get it. (cf., the last 40 years of illegal American wars.) All this attacking-the-figurehead is really doing, is distracting the public from the real cause of trouble in American politics today: the Generals. The Pentagon is a significant source of turmoil in the world - for anyone to think that this doesn't apply to the President, is just plain nuts. Nobody exerts more pressure for war, more war, endless, holy war, on an American President than the Pentagon and its complex of intricate corporate lackeys, financiers, courtesans and pimps...
  - rurban 8y ago
    The generals are also just dominos of the business interests. The US industry generals are driving the endless wars, through the generals, CIA, bought politicians and bought press.
jessaustin 8y ago
To see that "progressives" don't oppose the military-industrial complex anymore, note that not a single Democrat voted against Trump's "massively increase military spending and bombing children in Yemen" bill. Only Bernie and seven Republicans: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00211#position https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_...