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I suspect their rating system doesn't factor in hardware differences between the platinum reports: two of the games in their top 27 have serious issues with AMD

by furi 8y ago

I suspect their rating system doesn't factor in hardware differences between the platinum reports: two of the games in their top 27 have serious issues with AMD graphics cards as far as I can tell. Wolfenstein: The New Order appears to only run for people with Nvidia graphics cards and crashes on boot with a fairly fundamental OpenGL error on AMD. (You can actually see this if you click on Wolfenstein on their website, every Nvidia report is platinum and every AMD report is "Borked"). Skyrim runs at maybe 40 fps on my Vega 64 at 1600x900 high settings, which is an absolutely insane loss of performance (on Windows it could run at >100 fps @ 2560x1440) and puts it into "not playable" territory for me. Again this issue doesn't seem to exist on Nvidia.

snvzz 8y ago
Note most AMD issues are tied to the opengl compatibility profile. Up until the just released mesa 18.2 that profile was stuck at 3.1, now it's at 4.4.
- appleflaxen 8y ago
  Can you elaborate on this?
  - snvzz 8y ago
    This is described in detail in: https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/OpenGL_Context#OpenGL_3.2_and_Profiles https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/OpenGL_Context#OpenGL_3.... Up until 18.2, if using 'compatibility' profiles with mesa, you'd be stuck at opengl 3.3. This is solved; I'm already running 18.2 and game compatibility through Proton has indeed improved.
loa-in-backup 8y ago
It might have more to do with drivers.
- briffle 8y ago
  My Ubuntu 18.04 install just updated a ton of drivers from the PPA that ubuntu recommends: http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-miguel-dias/mesa/ubuntu http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-miguel-dias/mesa/ubuntu So I'm hoping to hear of improvements in a few days.
cptskippy 8y ago
Are they sure these are issues with Linux compatibility? I have at least 10-15 games that are simply unplayable for me on Windows due to crashes or other buggy behavior. In addition to that, there are plenty of games that once were fine but now aren't and visa versa. Off the top of my head: Dead Island - Pretty much anything by Deep Silver will crash often, this is no exception. Watch_Dogs - Crashes frequently and unpredictably enough that it's too frustrating to play. Mirror's Edge - Requires user to modify game files in order to run on AMD hardware. If the user validates game files or re-installs they must perform the file modifications again. Gauntlet - Crashes frequently or boots you from online games to the point that it's unplayable. Bulletstorm - Requires a deprecated Microsoft gaming service and does not work. Game was still being sold after Microsoft shut down it's service. They recently launched a remastered version and did not give free upgrades to existing owners (as most often happens). Grim Fandango Remastered - Crashes almost like clockwork. States it has controller support but... no. L.A. Noire - Requires the user to make a registry change, provided by a user in the Steam Forums, before it will even load the pre-launch configuration screen. DIRT Showdown - Just crashes silently. The Flame in the Flood - Use to work fine, now it launches and then force minimizes itself. If restored or maximized, it will immediately minimize. Game is "playable" via Aero Peek using Xbox controller and hovering mouse over the taskbar icon. BioShock - Use to crash immediately on startup, now it works fine. Air Forte - Has never worked.
britch 8y ago
To be fair I could not run Wolfenstein: The New Order with an AMD card on Windows, and from what I read online it's a common problem. I don't think this is a Windows/Linux issue, the game just doesn't play nicely with AMD across the board. If the game works where Windows works and fails where Windows fails while running on Steam Play, I think it's fair to give it a platinum rating.
- furi 8y ago
  I had the Windows issue for a while too but eventually verifying game files fixed it. I'm mentioning this precisely because I am in a position where the game works on Windows but doesn't on Linux, if it worked on neither that would be okay (well definitely not _okay_, but not WINE's fault).

by furi 8y ago

snvzz 8y ago

Note most AMD issues are tied to the opengl compatibility profile. Up until the just released mesa 18.2 that profile was stuck at 3.1, now it's at 4.4.

appleflaxen 8y ago
Can you elaborate on this?
- snvzz 8y ago
  This is described in detail in: https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/OpenGL_Context#OpenGL_3.2_and_Profiles https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/OpenGL_Context#OpenGL_3.... Up until 18.2, if using 'compatibility' profiles with mesa, you'd be stuck at opengl 3.3. This is solved; I'm already running 18.2 and game compatibility through Proton has indeed improved.

loa-in-backup 8y ago

It might have more to do with drivers.

briffle 8y ago
My Ubuntu 18.04 install just updated a ton of drivers from the PPA that ubuntu recommends: http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-miguel-dias/mesa/ubuntu http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-miguel-dias/mesa/ubuntu So I'm hoping to hear of improvements in a few days.

cptskippy 8y ago

Are they sure these are issues with Linux compatibility? I have at least 10-15 games that are simply unplayable for me on Windows due to crashes or other buggy behavior. In addition to that, there are plenty of games that once were fine but now aren't and visa versa. Off the top of my head: Dead Island - Pretty much anything by Deep Silver will crash often, this is no exception. Watch_Dogs - Crashes frequently and unpredictably enough that it's too frustrating to play. Mirror's Edge - Requires user to modify game files in order to run on AMD hardware. If the user validates game files or re-installs they must perform the file modifications again. Gauntlet - Crashes frequently or boots you from online games to the point that it's unplayable. Bulletstorm - Requires a deprecated Microsoft gaming service and does not work. Game was still being sold after Microsoft shut down it's service. They recently launched a remastered version and did not give free upgrades to existing owners (as most often happens). Grim Fandango Remastered - Crashes almost like clockwork. States it has controller support but... no. L.A. Noire - Requires the user to make a registry change, provided by a user in the Steam Forums, before it will even load the pre-launch configuration screen. DIRT Showdown - Just crashes silently. The Flame in the Flood - Use to work fine, now it launches and then force minimizes itself. If restored or maximized, it will immediately minimize. Game is "playable" via Aero Peek using Xbox controller and hovering mouse over the taskbar icon. BioShock - Use to crash immediately on startup, now it works fine. Air Forte - Has never worked.

britch 8y ago

To be fair I could not run Wolfenstein: The New Order with an AMD card on Windows, and from what I read online it's a common problem. I don't think this is a Windows/Linux issue, the game just doesn't play nicely with AMD across the board. If the game works where Windows works and fails where Windows fails while running on Steam Play, I think it's fair to give it a platinum rating.

furi 8y ago
I had the Windows issue for a while too but eventually verifying game files fixed it. I'm mentioning this precisely because I am in a position where the game works on Windows but doesn't on Linux, if it worked on neither that would be okay (well definitely not _okay_, but not WINE's fault).