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> but I'd hazard that some people are posting from Google Chrome, which would defeat the point about worrying. Uhhh, how do you draw that conclusion? There are

> but I'd hazard that some people are posting from Google Chrome, which would defeat the point about worrying. Uhhh, how do you draw that conclusion? There are lots of browsers and they take literally zero time to learn. Comparing a browser to programming language or framework is apples and oranges. > Is Google going to abandon Flutter, what about Dart? Should I not learn Go because they'll also abandon it? Heck, should I not develop for Android because they'll abandon it too? I have been a strict Android user for years. Google has effectively abandoned it with the way they've managed the project. I am moving to iOS for a variety of reasons, one of which is that I know where they (Apple) stand with the platform. I wouldn't learn Go or Kotlin either, honestly, as there are arguably lots of languages that do the same with less separation anxiety. My only mobile apps are Android only and regret it. I was a big android advocate and now I am not. I have been excited too many times and let down too many times to really care at this point. Google really wasted a lot of my time in retrospect. They announced projects like they are the second coming only to kill them once you have invested countless hours of time learning. I still have the OG Android ADK from I/o 2011...

nevi-me 8y ago
> Uhhh, how do you draw that conclusion? There are lots of browsers and they take literally zero time to learn. Comparing a browser to programming language or framework is apples and oranges. So, Google just released a new pineapple, but because they tend to kill the orange trees, I'd rather not bother with the pineapple. Google Chrome is a Google product. A general fear/hesitance of using Google products should apply similarly to Chrome. Otherwise you're only validating my point. > Google has effectively abandoned it with the way they've managed the project. Our opinions differ, which is fine. I'll leave it there. > I wouldn't learn Go or Kotlin either, honestly, as there are arguably lots of languages that do the same with less separation anxiety. That's fair, there's lots of languages that do a lot of things. I often learn new languages because of promises to solve some existing pain points. Separation anxiety differs from person to person, and one has to weigh costs and benefits.
pjmlp 8y ago
Same here. Java and C++ for my hobby coding on the platform. Both skills much more useful on contexts outside Android development. If I would need to write cross platform mobile apps production code, I would rather go C++ for business logic with native views, Qt, Xamarin or if performance requirements aren't tight, PWAs. Dart makes it unattractive to learn Flutter, given its past history. And Kotlin it remains to be seen how well it will faire in the actual Java world, outside Android, where we can make use of the latest versions slowly picking features from the alternative languages.
Apocryphon 8y ago
Kotlin is from JetBrains, not Google.

nevi-me 8y ago

> Uhhh, how do you draw that conclusion? There are lots of browsers and they take literally zero time to learn. Comparing a browser to programming language or framework is apples and oranges. So, Google just released a new pineapple, but because they tend to kill the orange trees, I'd rather not bother with the pineapple. Google Chrome is a Google product. A general fear/hesitance of using Google products should apply similarly to Chrome. Otherwise you're only validating my point. > Google has effectively abandoned it with the way they've managed the project. Our opinions differ, which is fine. I'll leave it there. > I wouldn't learn Go or Kotlin either, honestly, as there are arguably lots of languages that do the same with less separation anxiety. That's fair, there's lots of languages that do a lot of things. I often learn new languages because of promises to solve some existing pain points. Separation anxiety differs from person to person, and one has to weigh costs and benefits.

pjmlp 8y ago

Same here. Java and C++ for my hobby coding on the platform. Both skills much more useful on contexts outside Android development. If I would need to write cross platform mobile apps production code, I would rather go C++ for business logic with native views, Qt, Xamarin or if performance requirements aren't tight, PWAs. Dart makes it unattractive to learn Flutter, given its past history. And Kotlin it remains to be seen how well it will faire in the actual Java world, outside Android, where we can make use of the latest versions slowly picking features from the alternative languages.

Apocryphon 8y ago

Kotlin is from JetBrains, not Google.