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Meanwhile, US-legal sanctions against Russia have simply not been enacted by the Trump administration. Unless you're willfully living under a rock, you must ad

by blunte 8y ago

Meanwhile, US-legal sanctions against Russia have simply not been enacted by the Trump administration. Unless you're willfully living under a rock, you must admit that it strongly appears that Trump is beholden to Russia in the same way that a middleman is under the thumb of his mob boss. Based on the available financial evidence (the countless companies and countless financial failures and defaulted loans), it's quite plausible that Trump owes some wealthy Russians a lot of money. His house of cards is built on OPM. Really there's no point debating this. Those who cannot see this are either extremely young and naive, or they are wilfully ignorant. I don't care what political figure it is on what side... thinking people can observe behaviors and identify patterns that illustrate (highly) likely back stories. Trump has a LOT of back stories. You need only to research his US endeavors to see that he has never, at least until becoming President, built a successful business on his own. Now, of course, he has the benefit of the perceived promise of his customers having access to him (a la Mar a Lago, for example).

WillPostForFood 8y ago
Honestly, I feel the exact same way about your position. What could be tougher than this: U.S. Forces Killed More Than 200 Russian Fighters in Syria Attack https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-us-forces-killed-more-than-200-russian-fighters-in-syria-attack https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-us-forces-killed-more-t... And there are sanctions: Trump administration slaps more sanctions on Russia after Skripal poisonings https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-...
- blunte 8y ago
  That is just the military industrial complex spending public money. Russia is doing the same thing. The loss of lives is clearly irrelevant to the leaders of the two countries.
  - WillPostForFood 8y ago
    You said, "US-legal sanctions against Russia have simply not been enacted by the Trump administration". I just showed you, from a neutral source, that they had been enacted. It is plausible that Trump owes some wealthy Russians a lot of money, but on the other hand, there is zero actual evidence that it is true. Lot's of things are plausible. It is plausible you are a Russian agent planting propaganda to undermine faith in the government, but there is zero evidence of it being true, so I wouldn't go around claiming it.
    - spac 8y ago
      There is actually quite a bit of evidence that Russians ran propaganda to destabilize the country. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indicted-mueller-election-interference.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indi...
      - boomboomsubban 8y ago
        They are hardly the only group guilty of that, Americans did it last year in the German election, and there isn't evidence that this is an example of Russian propaganda.
- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Your first example is really poor one (although this is not your fault) because there is nothing to indicate that this outcome was a factor in executive decision-making, as opposed to an unexpected outcome at ground level. Let me recommend this article as a cynical but in-depth examination of the political and military calculus surrounding the incident: https://warontherocks.com/2018/07/the-puzzle-of-russian-behavior-in-deir-al-zour/ https://warontherocks.com/2018/07/the-puzzle-of-russian-beha...
  - WillPostForFood 8y ago
    We know Russia was called, during and before the battle, so at a minimum, we know there was high level DoD involvement, almost certainly Mattis and McMaster. We also know Trump bragged about it afterwards. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-abo... It doesn't suggest someone beholden to Russia.
    - int_19h 8y ago
      Russia wasn't called. The local commander of American forces called the local Russian commanding officer, and asked them whether the advancing columns were theirs. They said no. He then ordered a strike on the column, deeming it hostile (and rightly so). After that, Russian command started frantically calling back and demanding that the attack stop.
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      - WillPostForFood 8y ago
        Not exactly, the call was to the Russian High Command in Syria (I stand corrected)on the "deconfliction line", but the attack was ordered from Washington, by Mattis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rgqSEVVIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rgqSEVVIU

by blunte 8y ago

WillPostForFood 8y ago

Honestly, I feel the exact same way about your position. What could be tougher than this: U.S. Forces Killed More Than 200 Russian Fighters in Syria Attack https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-us-forces-killed-more-than-200-russian-fighters-in-syria-attack https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-us-forces-killed-more-t... And there are sanctions: Trump administration slaps more sanctions on Russia after Skripal poisonings https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-...

blunte 8y ago
That is just the military industrial complex spending public money. Russia is doing the same thing. The loss of lives is clearly irrelevant to the leaders of the two countries.
- WillPostForFood 8y ago
  You said, "US-legal sanctions against Russia have simply not been enacted by the Trump administration". I just showed you, from a neutral source, that they had been enacted. It is plausible that Trump owes some wealthy Russians a lot of money, but on the other hand, there is zero actual evidence that it is true. Lot's of things are plausible. It is plausible you are a Russian agent planting propaganda to undermine faith in the government, but there is zero evidence of it being true, so I wouldn't go around claiming it.
  - spac 8y ago
    There is actually quite a bit of evidence that Russians ran propaganda to destabilize the country. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indicted-mueller-election-interference.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indi...
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      They are hardly the only group guilty of that, Americans did it last year in the German election, and there isn't evidence that this is an example of Russian propaganda.
anigbrowl 8y ago
Your first example is really poor one (although this is not your fault) because there is nothing to indicate that this outcome was a factor in executive decision-making, as opposed to an unexpected outcome at ground level. Let me recommend this article as a cynical but in-depth examination of the political and military calculus surrounding the incident: https://warontherocks.com/2018/07/the-puzzle-of-russian-behavior-in-deir-al-zour/ https://warontherocks.com/2018/07/the-puzzle-of-russian-beha...
- WillPostForFood 8y ago
  We know Russia was called, during and before the battle, so at a minimum, we know there was high level DoD involvement, almost certainly Mattis and McMaster. We also know Trump bragged about it afterwards. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-abo... It doesn't suggest someone beholden to Russia.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Russia wasn't called. The local commander of American forces called the local Russian commanding officer, and asked them whether the advancing columns were theirs. They said no. He then ordered a strike on the column, deeming it hostile (and rightly so). After that, Russian command started frantically calling back and demanding that the attack stop.
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - WillPostForFood 8y ago
      Not exactly, the call was to the Russian High Command in Syria (I stand corrected)on the "deconfliction line", but the attack was ordered from Washington, by Mattis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rgqSEVVIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5rgqSEVVIU