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I'm speaking as a Chinese citizen who is totally in favor of this. Here's some perspective I can give: "credit system" is far less established than countries l

I'm speaking as a Chinese citizen who is totally in favor of this. Here's some perspective I can give: "credit system" is far less established than countries like US, and private companies are generally much less trusted by the government and by the people (which is the opposite to the US). Some big private companies like Alibaba has started to create credit systems themselves, but the state owned banks and law enforcement would only use something backed by the government. The "social credit system" it actually not that different from other credit systems excepted it is managed by government. It's really needed now given that there was a rising debt default problem -> Without a credit system, many people thought they can just delete the app where they borrowed money and get away with it. It became a crisis when a lot of this happened at the same time. Surveillance is a separate topic. It's one of the technology advances that made law enforcement easier (like DNA samples are much more used nowadays in identifying criminals). There has been reports that criminals being captured with these new tools. It's something that western people fears a lot, so all the western reports focuses on the negative side of it and exaggerate it many times more.

woodandsteel 8y ago
>I'm speaking as a Chinese citizen who is totally in favor of this But if you were opposed and spoke out, you would be punished, so why should we trust you to be saying what you really believe?
- echevil 8y ago
  That’s not how the system works, only what the western propaganda wants people to believe. I’m sure I won’t be punished because of saying i oppose that. It's only possible that I get some kind of punishment if I'm influential enough and engage in activities that deemed to be a threat to the government.
  - woodandsteel 8y ago
    First of all, how do you know for a fact that the government doesn't publish everyone who speaks out, or is not moving in that direction? Speech certainly has become far more restricted in the last few years. But even if what you say is true, it means that that speaking out has no impact on governmental policy, since if you start to have influence on the public you get shut up. And if that is the case, why should anyone ever bother to speak out. Why don't you just admit it, you like living in a dictatorship.
yourcousinbilly 8y ago
Aren't you worried the silencing of dissent will hide a very dysfunctional world from you? Aren't you worried it has happened already and your opinion has already been influenced?
- echevil 8y ago
  I’m sure there are darker side of China that the government would love to hide and there are many parts of the society that’s disfunctional. That’s no secret in China, most people are aware about that. I’m sure my opinions are influenced by all the stuff I’ve read and seen, and I try to keep an open eye and have been traveling around the world. But no one has “god’s view”, most western media are also writing articles that supports their existing views. “Fake news” is no longer a new concept to the west and it indeed can distort people’s beliefs. Even when media report the truth, selecting what to report and choosing the tone can also influence people’s views to a great extent. When it comes to topics about China, the western media (and Chinese media as well, in a different way) can be quite extreme. I’m sure your opinions are also being influenced, it’s too hard not to be

woodandsteel 8y ago

>I'm speaking as a Chinese citizen who is totally in favor of this But if you were opposed and spoke out, you would be punished, so why should we trust you to be saying what you really believe?

echevil 8y ago
That’s not how the system works, only what the western propaganda wants people to believe. I’m sure I won’t be punished because of saying i oppose that. It's only possible that I get some kind of punishment if I'm influential enough and engage in activities that deemed to be a threat to the government.
- woodandsteel 8y ago
  First of all, how do you know for a fact that the government doesn't publish everyone who speaks out, or is not moving in that direction? Speech certainly has become far more restricted in the last few years. But even if what you say is true, it means that that speaking out has no impact on governmental policy, since if you start to have influence on the public you get shut up. And if that is the case, why should anyone ever bother to speak out. Why don't you just admit it, you like living in a dictatorship.

yourcousinbilly 8y ago

Aren't you worried the silencing of dissent will hide a very dysfunctional world from you? Aren't you worried it has happened already and your opinion has already been influenced?

echevil 8y ago
I’m sure there are darker side of China that the government would love to hide and there are many parts of the society that’s disfunctional. That’s no secret in China, most people are aware about that. I’m sure my opinions are influenced by all the stuff I’ve read and seen, and I try to keep an open eye and have been traveling around the world. But no one has “god’s view”, most western media are also writing articles that supports their existing views. “Fake news” is no longer a new concept to the west and it indeed can distort people’s beliefs. Even when media report the truth, selecting what to report and choosing the tone can also influence people’s views to a great extent. When it comes to topics about China, the western media (and Chinese media as well, in a different way) can be quite extreme. I’m sure your opinions are also being influenced, it’s too hard not to be