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It's for people who want the best 4k gaming experience. As shown in the benchmarks, at 1080p, it really isnt beating the previous cards by much. If you are the

by kart23 8y ago

It's for people who want the best 4k gaming experience. As shown in the benchmarks, at 1080p, it really isnt beating the previous cards by much. If you are the kind of guy who can spend a lot of money on a 4k monitor, you probably are going to want a card that can drive that. If you are only doing HD, then yeah, a 1080/1070 will be great. They charge the premium because they know nothing else can do 4k like the 20 series.

saiya-jin 8y ago
You are right, but there also lies a problem - even 2080ti pulls barely 60fps at best today's top games, sometimes not even that. Meaning games whose development started around the time when 1080 were introduced. The new ones will be much more demanding, and even if more clever antialiasing helps, that's only small part of performance. I mean, 2080 is +- on par with 1080ti - this is 3 years of development in top graphic card segment? For sure it will find its buyers, but this group will be tiny - pro gamers, people who have too much money, and maybe once there are some proper VR games then vive pro/oculus. I am currently looking for an update over my old 760 gtx, but since I play in 1080p (actually 1200p), I think 1070 will suffice. Anyway for the type of single player games I play it will be enough in details for years to come. And the simple fact is, after 1 hour of gameplay I don't care much about some details.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  > You are right, but there also lies a problem - even 2080ti pulls barely 60fps at best today's top games, sometimes not even that. Meaning games whose development started around the time when 1080 were introduced. The new ones will be much more demanding, and even if more clever antialiasing helps, that's only small part of performance. The problem here is that the 2080ti's performance increase is proportional to it's cost increase - we've really gained no more bang for our buck, they've just given us a bigger buck to spend, which is fine if you have it, but I'll bet most people won't. The fancy new AA is just a great way for NVidiia to spread the gap a bit to make it look more worthwhile to buy these new cards - without it nobody would be impressed by the performance. > I am currently looking for an update over my old 760 gtx, but since I play in 1080p (actually 1200p), I think 1070 will suffice. The 1070 is a rock solid card, but I'd probably wait to see where the 2070 sits on the price performance curve. The 1070 would be a HUGE upgrade from what you have right now, but assuming that the 2070 isn't priced like a 1080 of last gen it could be a very solidly performing card for a rational price (assuming they didn't price this one up to match whatever equivalent it has for last gen), and give you just that much more room to stretch out your next upgrade. I normally hate the "wait until the next gen comes out" philosophy as there's always a new gen coming, but this seems prudent as I imagine we are ~ 1 month away.
  - saiya-jin 8y ago
    Thank you, that's a solid advice. 1 month of extra wait doesn't mean much when release cycle seems to be around 3 years these days.
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      Looks like the release date for the 2070 is Oct 20th, so if all else fails, check out the landscape in regards to benchmarks and stuff as it gets closer - and if you buy 2nd hand I betcha a bunch of cheap 1070's will pop up as well. I just don't know if the major retailers will get rid of all their 1070 stock before the 2070 launches, that could be a problem. New Egg still has a ton of 1080's up and the 2080 released today, so I imagine you'll be safe. And yeah, it's now a 2 or 3 year cycle, totally worth a bit of patience.
SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
I understand the need, but with the 2080 I'd expect a generational improvement in price / performance, and there is none here. You spend 1080 ti prices, you get 1080 ti performance. The 2080 Ti makes sense though - it's for those with deeeep pockets, or who make their livelihood off of gaming. If you have the means, go hard. I understand we always want more FPS, and some people are willing to pay anything to get it. I just wish the 2080 wasn't such a poor showing - with the exception of a couple of new tricks (a new AA and not yet supported or well performing ray tracing) you don't get anything else for the price compared to a card released a year and a half ago.

by kart23 8y ago

saiya-jin 8y ago

You are right, but there also lies a problem - even 2080ti pulls barely 60fps at best today's top games, sometimes not even that. Meaning games whose development started around the time when 1080 were introduced. The new ones will be much more demanding, and even if more clever antialiasing helps, that's only small part of performance. I mean, 2080 is +- on par with 1080ti - this is 3 years of development in top graphic card segment? For sure it will find its buyers, but this group will be tiny - pro gamers, people who have too much money, and maybe once there are some proper VR games then vive pro/oculus. I am currently looking for an update over my old 760 gtx, but since I play in 1080p (actually 1200p), I think 1070 will suffice. Anyway for the type of single player games I play it will be enough in details for years to come. And the simple fact is, after 1 hour of gameplay I don't care much about some details.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
> You are right, but there also lies a problem - even 2080ti pulls barely 60fps at best today's top games, sometimes not even that. Meaning games whose development started around the time when 1080 were introduced. The new ones will be much more demanding, and even if more clever antialiasing helps, that's only small part of performance. The problem here is that the 2080ti's performance increase is proportional to it's cost increase - we've really gained no more bang for our buck, they've just given us a bigger buck to spend, which is fine if you have it, but I'll bet most people won't. The fancy new AA is just a great way for NVidiia to spread the gap a bit to make it look more worthwhile to buy these new cards - without it nobody would be impressed by the performance. > I am currently looking for an update over my old 760 gtx, but since I play in 1080p (actually 1200p), I think 1070 will suffice. The 1070 is a rock solid card, but I'd probably wait to see where the 2070 sits on the price performance curve. The 1070 would be a HUGE upgrade from what you have right now, but assuming that the 2070 isn't priced like a 1080 of last gen it could be a very solidly performing card for a rational price (assuming they didn't price this one up to match whatever equivalent it has for last gen), and give you just that much more room to stretch out your next upgrade. I normally hate the "wait until the next gen comes out" philosophy as there's always a new gen coming, but this seems prudent as I imagine we are ~ 1 month away.
- saiya-jin 8y ago
  Thank you, that's a solid advice. 1 month of extra wait doesn't mean much when release cycle seems to be around 3 years these days.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    Looks like the release date for the 2070 is Oct 20th, so if all else fails, check out the landscape in regards to benchmarks and stuff as it gets closer - and if you buy 2nd hand I betcha a bunch of cheap 1070's will pop up as well. I just don't know if the major retailers will get rid of all their 1070 stock before the 2070 launches, that could be a problem. New Egg still has a ton of 1080's up and the 2080 released today, so I imagine you'll be safe. And yeah, it's now a 2 or 3 year cycle, totally worth a bit of patience.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

I understand the need, but with the 2080 I'd expect a generational improvement in price / performance, and there is none here. You spend 1080 ti prices, you get 1080 ti performance. The 2080 Ti makes sense though - it's for those with deeeep pockets, or who make their livelihood off of gaming. If you have the means, go hard. I understand we always want more FPS, and some people are willing to pay anything to get it. I just wish the 2080 wasn't such a poor showing - with the exception of a couple of new tricks (a new AA and not yet supported or well performing ray tracing) you don't get anything else for the price compared to a card released a year and a half ago.