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Yeah, it sounds positively dystopian to us. But replace "Hu" with "Alex Jones" and see how many in the west keep up their sympathy. >In 2015, Hu lost a defama

Yeah, it sounds positively dystopian to us. But replace "Hu" with "Alex Jones" and see how many in the west keep up their sympathy. >In 2015, Hu lost a defamation case after he accused an official of extortion. >Hu’s social media accounts, where he published much of his investigative journalism, have also been shut down.

neaden 8y ago
Let me know when Hu starts claiming grieving parents are crisis actors and selling unproven diet treatments.
- merpnderp 8y ago
  Where would you draw the line on protected speech? CNN admitted to misstating the news on three major stories last week - are they getting close to Alex Jones territory?
  - neaden 8y ago
    No, not even remotely.
- liftbigweights 8y ago
  That is your line for censorship? My god. Also, all diet treatments are unproven. And red bull does not give me wings.
  - neaden 8y ago
    Alex Jones purposefully tells harmful lies to vulnerable people in order to get them to distrust the institutions around them so he can sell them harmful junk. It's literally his business model and it's immoral and dangerous. And he didn't even get censored, he got kicked off some platforms like twitter. To compare him to an actual victim of censorship who was trying to get the truth out is an example of bothsidesm that is attempting to masquerade as rational thought.
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    - forgottenpass 8y ago
      I'm not trying to "bothsides." Jones is a clown. I'm trying to get people to engage their systems thinking so that we can learn lessons from China's mistakes before we go down the same exact path. Of course they're not identical situations. Look beyond the regional cultural standards and different bodies exercising power. Notice that they're both a hegemony enforcing the status quo against their flavor of "fake news".
      - neaden 8y ago
        But one is the truth and the other is lies. Also one is getting kicked off Twitter, the other is going to prison. It's the same thing that the government could falsely arrest me tomorrow for a murder I didn't commit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start protesting when they arrest actual murderers.
    - liftbigweights 8y ago
      > Alex Jones purposefully tells harmful lies to vulnerable people in order to get them to distrust the institutions He tells his share of lies. But he also tells his share of truth. No different than any other "news" organization. If he is telling lies, then point it out, debate them. Don't censor them. If lying is grounds for censorship, then every newspaper needs to be shutdown. They all lie or fabricate from time to time. Did we forget about the iraq war and the media lies that allowed it to happen? Or brian williams or the recent florence weather channel farce? > around them so he can sell them harmful junk How is that any different than CNN showing pharmaceuticals ad on their network to their vulnerable elderly viewership? Or news putting gambling ads? Should MSNBC or Foxnews be banned because they have soda or potato chip ads? I'd say alex jones is responsible for a minuscule amount of the harmful junk in this country compared to the mainstream media. > And he didn't even get censored, he got kicked off some platforms like twitter. That's called censorship. > To compare him to an actual victim of censorship who was trying to get the truth out is an example of bothsidesm that is attempting to masquerade as rational thought. He is a victim of censorship. You may support him being censored, but to say he wasn't censored is an outright lie. You can censor people telling truth and people telling lies. It's both censorship. My god stop watching so much CNN. It's great that you distrust alex jones. Everyone should. But everyone should distrust all media personalities. Skepticism is a very healthy part of citizenship and democracy. And censorship is evil in a democracy. Nothing more harmful than censorship and the people who support it for their political agenda. Nazis, fascists, communists and all extremists love censorship for a reason. Democracies love free speech for a reason.

neaden 8y ago

Let me know when Hu starts claiming grieving parents are crisis actors and selling unproven diet treatments.

merpnderp 8y ago
Where would you draw the line on protected speech? CNN admitted to misstating the news on three major stories last week - are they getting close to Alex Jones territory?
- neaden 8y ago
  No, not even remotely.
liftbigweights 8y ago
That is your line for censorship? My god. Also, all diet treatments are unproven. And red bull does not give me wings.
- neaden 8y ago
  Alex Jones purposefully tells harmful lies to vulnerable people in order to get them to distrust the institutions around them so he can sell them harmful junk. It's literally his business model and it's immoral and dangerous. And he didn't even get censored, he got kicked off some platforms like twitter. To compare him to an actual victim of censorship who was trying to get the truth out is an example of bothsidesm that is attempting to masquerade as rational thought.
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  - forgottenpass 8y ago
    I'm not trying to "bothsides." Jones is a clown. I'm trying to get people to engage their systems thinking so that we can learn lessons from China's mistakes before we go down the same exact path. Of course they're not identical situations. Look beyond the regional cultural standards and different bodies exercising power. Notice that they're both a hegemony enforcing the status quo against their flavor of "fake news".
    - neaden 8y ago
      But one is the truth and the other is lies. Also one is getting kicked off Twitter, the other is going to prison. It's the same thing that the government could falsely arrest me tomorrow for a murder I didn't commit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start protesting when they arrest actual murderers.
  - liftbigweights 8y ago
    > Alex Jones purposefully tells harmful lies to vulnerable people in order to get them to distrust the institutions He tells his share of lies. But he also tells his share of truth. No different than any other "news" organization. If he is telling lies, then point it out, debate them. Don't censor them. If lying is grounds for censorship, then every newspaper needs to be shutdown. They all lie or fabricate from time to time. Did we forget about the iraq war and the media lies that allowed it to happen? Or brian williams or the recent florence weather channel farce? > around them so he can sell them harmful junk How is that any different than CNN showing pharmaceuticals ad on their network to their vulnerable elderly viewership? Or news putting gambling ads? Should MSNBC or Foxnews be banned because they have soda or potato chip ads? I'd say alex jones is responsible for a minuscule amount of the harmful junk in this country compared to the mainstream media. > And he didn't even get censored, he got kicked off some platforms like twitter. That's called censorship. > To compare him to an actual victim of censorship who was trying to get the truth out is an example of bothsidesm that is attempting to masquerade as rational thought. He is a victim of censorship. You may support him being censored, but to say he wasn't censored is an outright lie. You can censor people telling truth and people telling lies. It's both censorship. My god stop watching so much CNN. It's great that you distrust alex jones. Everyone should. But everyone should distrust all media personalities. Skepticism is a very healthy part of citizenship and democracy. And censorship is evil in a democracy. Nothing more harmful than censorship and the people who support it for their political agenda. Nazis, fascists, communists and all extremists love censorship for a reason. Democracies love free speech for a reason.