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Pilot wave theory (also known as Bohmian mechanics) imposes a single-world interpretation.

phkahler 8y ago
My understanding is that it meets all 3 criteria. Hence the assertion that there is no theory that meets all 3 would be false.
- yorwba 8y ago
  According to the paper, Bohmian mechanics violates assumption (Q) (the first one), which is not exactly "consistent with QM", but rather "If an agent knows the state of a quantum system S and knows that a measurement of x applied to the state yields ξ with probability 1, then the agent knows that x = ξ". Bohmian mechanics violates it by not applying to arbitrary subsystems, but only to the universe as a whole (i.e. parts of the universe cannot be treated as quantum-mechanical systems themselves, because they don't have their own pilot waves)
  - phkahler 8y ago
    Hence non-locality right?
  - catawbasam 8y ago
    re "only to the universe as a whole"-- “The etymology of the word ‘universe’ can be traced back to the use of the Old French univers, in the twelfth century, which derives from the earlier Latin universum. This word is created from unus, meaning ‘one’, and ‘versus’, the past participle of the verb vertere, meaning ‘to turn, rotate, roll or change’. So we have a literal meaning of everything ‘turned into one’ or ‘rolled into one’.” from John D. Barrow’s “The Book of Universes.” Sounds like Bohm is taking the 'uni' in universe seriously, while the paper starts by assuming there is no fundamental unity in the universe.
    - Koshkin 8y ago
      The Latin word may have been invented less than a thousand years ago: "...dicuntur universum sive omne : quia universum est unum versum in omnia..."
  - mjevans 8y ago
    I find that to be logical, as it seems like it would be incredibly difficult to dis-entangle an observer from the minute fluctuation and relationships with every other bit of energy in the universe.
  - ummonk 8y ago
    Haven't read the paper in detail yet, but aren't they claiming it violates assumption SC (self-consistency)?
    - naasking 8y ago
      Parent is correct, Bohmian mechanics violates (1), but we already knew this. Bohmian mehanics allows for systems in quantum non-equilibrium, which is a unique concept to Bohmian mehanics. Unfortunately we don't know how to create such a state to test for it.

My understanding is that it meets all 3 criteria. Hence the assertion that there is no theory that meets all 3 would be false.

yorwba 8y ago
According to the paper, Bohmian mechanics violates assumption (Q) (the first one), which is not exactly "consistent with QM", but rather "If an agent knows the state of a quantum system S and knows that a measurement of x applied to the state yields ξ with probability 1, then the agent knows that x = ξ". Bohmian mechanics violates it by not applying to arbitrary subsystems, but only to the universe as a whole (i.e. parts of the universe cannot be treated as quantum-mechanical systems themselves, because they don't have their own pilot waves)
- phkahler 8y ago
  Hence non-locality right?
- catawbasam 8y ago
  re "only to the universe as a whole"-- “The etymology of the word ‘universe’ can be traced back to the use of the Old French univers, in the twelfth century, which derives from the earlier Latin universum. This word is created from unus, meaning ‘one’, and ‘versus’, the past participle of the verb vertere, meaning ‘to turn, rotate, roll or change’. So we have a literal meaning of everything ‘turned into one’ or ‘rolled into one’.” from John D. Barrow’s “The Book of Universes.” Sounds like Bohm is taking the 'uni' in universe seriously, while the paper starts by assuming there is no fundamental unity in the universe.
  - Koshkin 8y ago
    The Latin word may have been invented less than a thousand years ago: "...dicuntur universum sive omne : quia universum est unum versum in omnia..."
- mjevans 8y ago
  I find that to be logical, as it seems like it would be incredibly difficult to dis-entangle an observer from the minute fluctuation and relationships with every other bit of energy in the universe.
- ummonk 8y ago
  Haven't read the paper in detail yet, but aren't they claiming it violates assumption SC (self-consistency)?
  - naasking 8y ago
    Parent is correct, Bohmian mechanics violates (1), but we already knew this. Bohmian mehanics allows for systems in quantum non-equilibrium, which is a unique concept to Bohmian mehanics. Unfortunately we don't know how to create such a state to test for it.