5 ms·
Coraline subscribes to a specific kind of liberal politics that requires everyone to speak and act according to specific rules (not say/do other things). The wa
by nickpsecurity 8y ago
Coraline subscribes to a specific kind of liberal politics that requires everyone to speak and act according to specific rules (not say/do other things). The way they push the CoC's is they apply to all mediums a person uses instead of just the project. The language being used by her and some here is that it's about stopping suffering and protecting minorities. Millions of minority members disagree with them by supporting civil, free speech. Those would be censored, too. They don't really care about anything but enforcing conformance with their views. And they need generally-worded rules with like-minded people in control of moderation to accomplish that.
So, in the Opal thread, a maintainer disagreed with trans peoples' claimed identity... a common belief of tens of millions of people who support biological view... in a comment on Twitter (not the project itself). Coraline and a crowd of similarly-thinking people stormed into the project demanding the maintainer be removed for the political statement plus adoption of a CoC.
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
These people, who didn't contribute anything to the project, wanted a major contributor removed. Their attacks got more and more aggressive with both Coraline and another associate eventually setting the project rep up to look like he or she supports child rapists. They get down to name calling and talking about "burning bridges" in the end. A defender rightly asks what bridges they're talking about since most FOSS and business developers aren't radical, political activists like them. The whole thread shows how ideological, controlling, and vicious those kind of people are.
So, I fight against these Codes of Conduct on any forum they're presented on since they're designed to be a tool of political subversion by radical, leftist activists. They always mislead people, too, just highlighting the worst stuff that we might all agree should be blocked. Once CoC is in place and they're in control, they begin censoring all the little things we don't agree on which violate their beliefs. Instead of all that crap, I just push for rules where conversations stay on topic, we stay civil just to be nice, no personal attacks, and people are judged on their contributions. Open-minded moderators, too, that don't filter most people based on activist, minority's views.
EDIT: You can actually see this in action right now. malvosenior just linked to specific attempts to enforce political conformity by the author of Contributor Convenent who authored it to do exactly that. The comment is already grey at this moment. Some of the kinds of people it describes are apparently trying to make it go away so you don't see what they do. While we're at it, Slate Star Codex has an excellent article about their misdirections and weaponization of words:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-word...
- Phelinofist 8y agoThat Opal issue is... mind blowing.
- theossuary 8y agoThe "biological view" reminds me of twenty years ago when gay people were considered mentally ill. I can only hope the next generation doesn't have to put up with this kind of bigotry. Bigotry born out of ignorance and an unwillingness to learn or empathize. You may not realize the damage it causes, the increased suicide risk, but I'm all too aware. What I don't understand about Opal though, is "meh" obviously doesn't respect gender identity, so why would he adopt a CoC that specifically says his project does?! Coraline just seems to be calling out the hypocrisy of agreeing to one thing and then doing something else. Read some of this guy's other tweets, he obviously has no idea what he's talking about "I still fail to see how that kind of invasive surgery on kids can b cherished." It's ludicrous, the age old "But think of the children!" We probably agree more than this comment would lead you to believe. I don't understand why we can't just be nice to each other. Why you can just refrain from going on Twitter and calling an entire group of people (a protected group of people according to your own CoC) delusional. Why can't we all just get along?
- lawnchair_larry 8y agoBut it’s not bigotry to believe that there are 2 genders.
- theossuary 8y agoThis is like saying there are only two types of people, those who are aggressive and those who are passive (Alphas and betas). It completely misses the fact that most (all?) things in nature lie on a spectrum, just like gender. Some people are masculine, some are effeminate. There are effeminate men, and masculine women. There are biological males who see themselves as women socially, or physiologically; and the same is true of some biological females. At the end of the day, it has no impact on you how others express themselves, so who cares? It reminds me of this: http://blog.angry-dad.com/2015/06/psychiatrists-and-hair-dryer-incident.html http://blog.angry-dad.com/2015/06/psychiatrists-and-hair-dry... If calling a somebody "she", and allowing her to do with her body what she wants, improves their quality of life significantly, who cares? Who are you to stand in the way of them making their life worth living? What really surprised me though are the people on HN who normally pride themselves on having informed opinions, talking about this without even reading the wiki page on it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity