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I will never, ever deploy AMP on my website or any website I have any control over. One poster in this thread made a dismissive statement about ideological crit

I will never, ever deploy AMP on my website or any website I have any control over. One poster in this thread made a dismissive statement about ideological criticism of AMP "(e.g. "Google is trying to destroy the open web")". Well, I am absolutely happy to stand by that criticism. AMP is diametrically opposed to the open web. The web is built upon three fundamental technologies, any of which—if replaced—constitute a platform OTHER than the open web: HTML/CSS, HTTP, and URI/DNS. Google seems keen on breaking down that last bit as recent updates to Chrome demonstrate, and AMP is essentially a replacement for HTML. I don't see the open web being appreciated or respected by the Google of today, and I plan to do everything in my power to stand against this shocking land grab of influence over the web not seen since the bad old days of 90s era Microsoft.

auslander 8y ago
> I don't see the open web being appreciated or respected by the Google of today I'd generalise it more, "I don't expect the open web being appreciated or respected by any business." Business is to make money, preferably now, open or not is irrelevant.
- jaredcwhite 8y ago
  I hate having to think in such cynical terms, but I fear you are right.
zzzcpan 8y ago
You should also block Cloudflare's AMP bots [1] on the websites you control and flag AMP defending and promoting articles. The sad part is it's all just the beginning. All those ad-billions will go into more land grab and control, rather than innovation and progress. And governments will be so happy about it, no need for censorship laws if you can just ask a megacorp to "moderate" content that reaches most of the population. [1] "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Cloudflare-AMP/1.0; +https://amp.cloudflare.com/doc/fetcher.html https://amp.cloudflare.com/doc/fetcher.html) AppleWebKit/534.34"
sagarm 8y ago
Angular allows you to create your own HTML elements that cannot be used without the Javascript accompanying the page. That seems similar to AMP to me: AMP is a (very) opinionated framework that provides a set of HTML elements. It can run in any browser.[1] Like Angular, AMP is a Google project. Why does your criticism of AMP ("replacement of HTML" "shocking land grab of influence") not also apply to Angular? Maybe your objection is more about the CDN or presentation in Google search? I'm genuinely confused by the strong reaction AMP seems to elicit. [1] https://www.ampproject.org/support/faqs/supported-browsers https://www.ampproject.org/support/faqs/supported-browsers

auslander 8y ago

> I don't see the open web being appreciated or respected by the Google of today I'd generalise it more, "I don't expect the open web being appreciated or respected by any business." Business is to make money, preferably now, open or not is irrelevant.

jaredcwhite 8y ago
I hate having to think in such cynical terms, but I fear you are right.

zzzcpan 8y ago

You should also block Cloudflare's AMP bots [1] on the websites you control and flag AMP defending and promoting articles. The sad part is it's all just the beginning. All those ad-billions will go into more land grab and control, rather than innovation and progress. And governments will be so happy about it, no need for censorship laws if you can just ask a megacorp to "moderate" content that reaches most of the population. [1] "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Cloudflare-AMP/1.0; +https://amp.cloudflare.com/doc/fetcher.html https://amp.cloudflare.com/doc/fetcher.html) AppleWebKit/534.34"

sagarm 8y ago

Angular allows you to create your own HTML elements that cannot be used without the Javascript accompanying the page. That seems similar to AMP to me: AMP is a (very) opinionated framework that provides a set of HTML elements. It can run in any browser.[1] Like Angular, AMP is a Google project. Why does your criticism of AMP ("replacement of HTML" "shocking land grab of influence") not also apply to Angular? Maybe your objection is more about the CDN or presentation in Google search? I'm genuinely confused by the strong reaction AMP seems to elicit. [1] https://www.ampproject.org/support/faqs/supported-browsers https://www.ampproject.org/support/faqs/supported-browsers