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PayPal’s crackdown on ASMR creators

24 points by tareqak 8y ago

jamestimmins 8y ago
I would assume that any account or video that receives a large spike in user-generated flags would get reviewed by a person. Then if the content was deemed acceptable per the user guidelines, that account would be 'un-flaggable' for 90 days. Is there anyone with knowledge of these systems who can speak to how this might work?
- maxwell 8y ago
  Ask your regulator to find out.
matkins 8y ago
One has to be extremely naïve not to know what "ASMR creators" are actually selling. I don't think it's all that weird that they are being banned from PP for using it to sell indecent content.
- phobosdeimos 8y ago
  I do. Banks should only disallow illegal transactions. Not that I am surprised: PayPal is American.
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  - rnatklns 8y ago
    It's not weird to me, they do it because of the big amount of chargebacks on porn content. This has been discussed here to oblivion.
  - Proziam 8y ago
    Paypal also isn't a bank.
- dajohnson89 8y ago
  Pray tell -- what are ASMR creators actually selling, that's so indecent?
  - aragorn2 8y ago
    They are selling their sex appeal. Couple of video titles: Scottish Murmurs - Full body massage role play - Ear to Ear sleep spa Rose ASMR: - Mouth sounds, ear massage - Brushing your face, kisses This is the first time I hear of ASMR and I quite like it but let’s not pretend this isn’t about their sex appeal.
Rotdhizon 8y ago
Starting off, this article is extremely biased. I have not seen such anti-male journalism in some time. She is trying to portray pretty much all ASMR creators as victims for making innocent content and that just isn't true. Sure there are a lot of legit ASMR creators whos content is non-sexual and relaxing. However, there are way more sexual and pseudo-sexual ASMR channels that she leads you to believe. Paypal isn't a bank and should not be used as such. They can suspend/freeze/ban you for any reason under the sun. Paypal has long been known to screw people over. Contrary to the article trying to portray that woman and LGBT people are under some mystical male abuse campaign from PP and YT, men are just as well caught in the net of problems both platforms cast. Now these legit channels being targeted by report/flag campaigns is bad. There really isn't much recourse on either platform. Once you're punished, you have to go to hell and back to get unpunished. She is right in saying that these platforms are not built to handle edge cases like targeted harassment. She seems to think that sexuality shouldn't be a punishable offense on these platforms, which I think most people would disagree with. While this focuses on this specific case, this points to a broader problem that these platforms in the entirety are subject to abuse from organized groups. Yes ASMR creators were targeted here, but an organized push against most any group on these platforms could result in false bans/suspensions. I don't think this article belongs on HN. From a different source that is more unbiased yes, but this article is absurdly written.
- tareqak 8y ago
  Could you please comment on the 8chan activity that's mentioned in the article? Would you say that there is any bias there?
- sterlind 8y ago
  You jumped to conclusions about the article being anti-male. I have no idea how you got there... Is it "anti-male" to call out a handful of men on 8chan for harassing women? I'm curious if you bothered to lookup the blacklisted creators before asserting that they were sexual. For your convenience, I've listed them below: ASMR Glow: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFmL725KKPx2URVPvH3Gp8w https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFmL725KKPx2URVPvH3Gp8w Scottish Murmurs: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCLcyg3kjSwlUxjnQhSMqfmg https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCLcyg3kjSwlUxjnQhSMqfmg Rose ASMR: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCGVV7XI1shSNCaF4dmYsOCg/videos https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCGVV7XI1shSNCaF4dmYsOCg/video... Creative Calm: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrIPWaSEHW4CqX0hGtxsQwg https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrIPWaSEHW4CqX0hGtxsQwg
squozzer 8y ago
Huh. And I thought ASMR made sleep vids - rain sounds on a tent was my favorite. But considering how making unverifiable claims seems to be so effective nowadays, it doesn't surprise me much anymore. I pity those caught in the whirlwind. Let's hope sanity returns soon.

24 points by tareqak 8y ago

I would assume that any account or video that receives a large spike in user-generated flags would get reviewed by a person. Then if the content was deemed acceptable per the user guidelines, that account would be 'un-flaggable' for 90 days. Is there anyone with knowledge of these systems who can speak to how this might work?

maxwell 8y ago
Ask your regulator to find out.

matkins 8y ago

One has to be extremely naïve not to know what "ASMR creators" are actually selling. I don't think it's all that weird that they are being banned from PP for using it to sell indecent content.

phobosdeimos 8y ago
I do. Banks should only disallow illegal transactions. Not that I am surprised: PayPal is American.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- rnatklns 8y ago
  It's not weird to me, they do it because of the big amount of chargebacks on porn content. This has been discussed here to oblivion.
- Proziam 8y ago
  Paypal also isn't a bank.
dajohnson89 8y ago
Pray tell -- what are ASMR creators actually selling, that's so indecent?
- aragorn2 8y ago
  They are selling their sex appeal. Couple of video titles: Scottish Murmurs - Full body massage role play - Ear to Ear sleep spa Rose ASMR: - Mouth sounds, ear massage - Brushing your face, kisses This is the first time I hear of ASMR and I quite like it but let’s not pretend this isn’t about their sex appeal.

Rotdhizon 8y ago

Starting off, this article is extremely biased. I have not seen such anti-male journalism in some time. She is trying to portray pretty much all ASMR creators as victims for making innocent content and that just isn't true. Sure there are a lot of legit ASMR creators whos content is non-sexual and relaxing. However, there are way more sexual and pseudo-sexual ASMR channels that she leads you to believe. Paypal isn't a bank and should not be used as such. They can suspend/freeze/ban you for any reason under the sun. Paypal has long been known to screw people over. Contrary to the article trying to portray that woman and LGBT people are under some mystical male abuse campaign from PP and YT, men are just as well caught in the net of problems both platforms cast. Now these legit channels being targeted by report/flag campaigns is bad. There really isn't much recourse on either platform. Once you're punished, you have to go to hell and back to get unpunished. She is right in saying that these platforms are not built to handle edge cases like targeted harassment. She seems to think that sexuality shouldn't be a punishable offense on these platforms, which I think most people would disagree with. While this focuses on this specific case, this points to a broader problem that these platforms in the entirety are subject to abuse from organized groups. Yes ASMR creators were targeted here, but an organized push against most any group on these platforms could result in false bans/suspensions. I don't think this article belongs on HN. From a different source that is more unbiased yes, but this article is absurdly written.

tareqak 8y ago
Could you please comment on the 8chan activity that's mentioned in the article? Would you say that there is any bias there?
sterlind 8y ago
You jumped to conclusions about the article being anti-male. I have no idea how you got there... Is it "anti-male" to call out a handful of men on 8chan for harassing women? I'm curious if you bothered to lookup the blacklisted creators before asserting that they were sexual. For your convenience, I've listed them below: ASMR Glow: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFmL725KKPx2URVPvH3Gp8w https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCFmL725KKPx2URVPvH3Gp8w Scottish Murmurs: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCLcyg3kjSwlUxjnQhSMqfmg https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCLcyg3kjSwlUxjnQhSMqfmg Rose ASMR: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCGVV7XI1shSNCaF4dmYsOCg/videos https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCGVV7XI1shSNCaF4dmYsOCg/video... Creative Calm: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrIPWaSEHW4CqX0hGtxsQwg https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrIPWaSEHW4CqX0hGtxsQwg

squozzer 8y ago

Huh. And I thought ASMR made sleep vids - rain sounds on a tent was my favorite. But considering how making unverifiable claims seems to be so effective nowadays, it doesn't surprise me much anymore. I pity those caught in the whirlwind. Let's hope sanity returns soon.