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Some more info on the Canal & River Trust: These waterways are accessible upon payment of a licence fee, ranging from a few pounds to over £1200, for use by bo

by moftz 8y ago

Some more info on the Canal & River Trust: These waterways are accessible upon payment of a licence fee, ranging from a few pounds to over £1200, for use by boats, canoeists, paddleboarders and other craft. Walkers and cyclists can use the extensive network of 'Public Rights of Way' that run alongside the canals and rivers without payment of a fee, which were previously permissive towpaths. Do you need a license to just float down the river on an inflatable? Also, if I drop something into the water, is it now property of the trust? What a ridiculous governing body. The UK really loves licensing the shit out of everything. "Oi, you got a license for that license, mate?"

ams6110 8y ago
> Do you need a license to just float down the river on an inflatable? Can't speak to the UK but in the USA, maybe. In my state, if it's a "managed" lake or reservoir, or in a state park or forest, there is a watercraft license requirement. Natural lakes, streams and rivers are exempt.
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>Do you need a license to just float down the river on an inflatable? Also, if I drop something into the water, is it now property of the trust? What a ridiculous governing body. The UK really loves licensing the shit out of everything. It's a leftover sentiment from the days when taking anything of any usefulness or value from the land without permission was considered stealing from whatever lord or nobleman owned that land. Licensing for everything and everything is not considered abnormal when it's the status quo going back a thousand years. Society takes a long time to change things that are deeply ingrained like that. edit: If there's an alternate explanation I'm all ears...
pm215 8y ago
You absolutely need some kind of licensing setup for canals, to avoid standard tragedy-of-the-commons outcomes with too many boats (particularly houseboats) on a limited amount of water. There are also safety issues -- the canal byelaws define various rules which are the waterborne equivalent of traffic regulations, to prevent collisions and other accidents. Licensing fees also fund keeping the canals maintained. I suspect that some of the regulatory environment here is the shape it is for historical reasons -- canals were originally commercial waterways with heavy traffic, not a more lightly-used pleasure/leisure environment.
arethuza 8y ago
Actually, in Scotland (part of the UK) we have right to roam - so we can pretty much go anywhere we want on land, rivers or lochs - no license needed just a degree of common sense.
blibble 8y ago
would you object to a railway company requiring that you have a license before they allow you to put a train onto their railway?
- tomcooks 8y ago
  Sorry how is a man made railway even remotely close to a natural stream of water?
  - zaarn 8y ago
    As far as I can tell this is about artificial canals, not natural streams of water.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Many of those streams are not natural and those which are need to be maintained there is a complex network dams as well as constant dredging to maintain them passable to boats year round. The main beneficiaries of the license fees in England and Wales are the British Canal Trust and the Environmental Agency both of which use the money to maintain the waterways and the environment around them. The fees are next to nothing for smaller vessels, for unpowered boats the fee is incorporated into the membership fees for the clubs. Rentals are exempt as they fall under the business fee of the rental provider and visitor licenses are available for short term that cost next to nothing.
owenversteeg 8y ago
Jesus. I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, needing a paid license to float down a canal on an inflatable is ridiculous. The comments responding to you don't make any sense either. Needing some sort of permit to permanently moor a houseboat is totally different from having to pay to use a canoe or inflatable in the water. In case there anyone wants to defend the UK's absolutely idiotic licenses, here's a concrete example from your neighbors about 100 miles east. Here in the Netherlands we have a ridiculous amount of public water - canals, rivers, lakes, etc - and it's all entirely free to use. It's even free to moor your boat temporarily (up to 3 days) at thousands of spots around the country. Our population density is double, we have more people with boats, and we have a massive amount of commercial shipping traffic everywhere. We've got several of the busiest ports in Europe. One of them is as big as ten of the port of London! And somehow it works out splendidly.
- chiasmic 8y ago
  Just as an aside, the population density of England (not the uk) is greater than the Netherlands.
- sorokod 8y ago
  Ever had to pay for the use of a road or highway?
  - moftz 8y ago
    Not if I wanted to use a bicycle on it. Some states even allow usage of mopeds on roads without registration.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  A yearly license for an unpowered boat is £48, daily, weekly and monthly visitor licenses are also available and cost near to nothing. This only covers privately owned “boats” if you rent a kayak or a canoe or a boat the operator must have a business waterways license which will enable you to use the waterways for the duration of your rental.
  - 8y ago

by moftz 8y ago

ams6110 8y ago

> Do you need a license to just float down the river on an inflatable? Can't speak to the UK but in the USA, maybe. In my state, if it's a "managed" lake or reservoir, or in a state park or forest, there is a watercraft license requirement. Natural lakes, streams and rivers are exempt.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

>Do you need a license to just float down the river on an inflatable? Also, if I drop something into the water, is it now property of the trust? What a ridiculous governing body. The UK really loves licensing the shit out of everything. It's a leftover sentiment from the days when taking anything of any usefulness or value from the land without permission was considered stealing from whatever lord or nobleman owned that land. Licensing for everything and everything is not considered abnormal when it's the status quo going back a thousand years. Society takes a long time to change things that are deeply ingrained like that. edit: If there's an alternate explanation I'm all ears...

pm215 8y ago

You absolutely need some kind of licensing setup for canals, to avoid standard tragedy-of-the-commons outcomes with too many boats (particularly houseboats) on a limited amount of water. There are also safety issues -- the canal byelaws define various rules which are the waterborne equivalent of traffic regulations, to prevent collisions and other accidents. Licensing fees also fund keeping the canals maintained. I suspect that some of the regulatory environment here is the shape it is for historical reasons -- canals were originally commercial waterways with heavy traffic, not a more lightly-used pleasure/leisure environment.

arethuza 8y ago

Actually, in Scotland (part of the UK) we have right to roam - so we can pretty much go anywhere we want on land, rivers or lochs - no license needed just a degree of common sense.

blibble 8y ago

would you object to a railway company requiring that you have a license before they allow you to put a train onto their railway?

tomcooks 8y ago
Sorry how is a man made railway even remotely close to a natural stream of water?
- zaarn 8y ago
  As far as I can tell this is about artificial canals, not natural streams of water.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Many of those streams are not natural and those which are need to be maintained there is a complex network dams as well as constant dredging to maintain them passable to boats year round. The main beneficiaries of the license fees in England and Wales are the British Canal Trust and the Environmental Agency both of which use the money to maintain the waterways and the environment around them. The fees are next to nothing for smaller vessels, for unpowered boats the fee is incorporated into the membership fees for the clubs. Rentals are exempt as they fall under the business fee of the rental provider and visitor licenses are available for short term that cost next to nothing.

owenversteeg 8y ago

Jesus. I'm not sure why you're being downvoted, needing a paid license to float down a canal on an inflatable is ridiculous. The comments responding to you don't make any sense either. Needing some sort of permit to permanently moor a houseboat is totally different from having to pay to use a canoe or inflatable in the water. In case there anyone wants to defend the UK's absolutely idiotic licenses, here's a concrete example from your neighbors about 100 miles east. Here in the Netherlands we have a ridiculous amount of public water - canals, rivers, lakes, etc - and it's all entirely free to use. It's even free to moor your boat temporarily (up to 3 days) at thousands of spots around the country. Our population density is double, we have more people with boats, and we have a massive amount of commercial shipping traffic everywhere. We've got several of the busiest ports in Europe. One of them is as big as ten of the port of London! And somehow it works out splendidly.

chiasmic 8y ago
Just as an aside, the population density of England (not the uk) is greater than the Netherlands.
sorokod 8y ago
Ever had to pay for the use of a road or highway?
- moftz 8y ago
  Not if I wanted to use a bicycle on it. Some states even allow usage of mopeds on roads without registration.
dogma1138 8y ago
A yearly license for an unpowered boat is £48, daily, weekly and monthly visitor licenses are also available and cost near to nothing. This only covers privately owned “boats” if you rent a kayak or a canoe or a boat the operator must have a business waterways license which will enable you to use the waterways for the duration of your rental.
- 8y ago