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So, anyone can get away with a crime if they're overstressed? or just Elon? > His idea of "secured" is simply different from the SEC definition ... He is the

So, anyone can get away with a crime if they're overstressed? or just Elon? > His idea of "secured" is simply different from the SEC definition ... He is the CEO. He's not allowed to have a different definition. Words mean things. That's how we communicate.

beaconstudios 8y ago
> So, anyone can get away with a crime if they're overstressed? Are you putting words in my mouth on purpose? I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be investigated. I'm arguing that "trying to screw over short sellers" is not the only and "obvious" reason why he could have made the tweet.
- emodendroket 8y ago
  I know whenever I'm stressed I go post falsehoods on my public Twitter account to blow off some steam.
- aaomidi 8y ago
  Intent may not necessarily matter.
  - beaconstudios 8y ago
    for the investigation, no it probably doesn't. But that's not what I'm arguing, and I don't see why people think it is.
- aslkdjaslkdj1 8y ago
  He then went and taunted short sellers on Twitter when the stock went up in response to his tweet. Also I don't believe his intent matter for criminal liability in market manipulation.
  - beaconstudios 8y ago
    > He then went and taunted short sellers on Twitter when the stock went up in response to his tweet. Source? I legitimately haven't seen this. > Also I don't believe his intent matter for criminal liability in market manipulation. I'm not saying it does. Where did I say it does? I don't understand why I keep getting this response.
    - phdp 8y ago
      He sent shorts to David Einhorn https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/elon-musk-makes-good-on-promise-to-send-short-seller-david-einhorn-a-box-of-short-shorts-2018-8-1027450239 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/elon-musk-ma...
      - metalsahu 8y ago
        It was a company, Chubbies, that sent short shorts to David Einhorn not Elon. https://insideevs.com/chubbies-sends-short-shorts-tesla-shorter/ https://insideevs.com/chubbies-sends-short-shorts-tesla-shor...
        badwolf 8y ago
        Heh. That's actually kind of a chuckleworthy story. Thanks for that.
SkyPuncher 8y ago
> Words mean things. That's how we communicate. Yes, but words are often nuanced and ambiguous. It's why we have an entire legal system to interpret exactly what "words" mean.
- chooseaname 8y ago
  Just how "nuanced" can the word "secured" mean here?

beaconstudios 8y ago

> So, anyone can get away with a crime if they're overstressed? Are you putting words in my mouth on purpose? I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be investigated. I'm arguing that "trying to screw over short sellers" is not the only and "obvious" reason why he could have made the tweet.

emodendroket 8y ago
I know whenever I'm stressed I go post falsehoods on my public Twitter account to blow off some steam.
aaomidi 8y ago
Intent may not necessarily matter.
- beaconstudios 8y ago
  for the investigation, no it probably doesn't. But that's not what I'm arguing, and I don't see why people think it is.
aslkdjaslkdj1 8y ago
He then went and taunted short sellers on Twitter when the stock went up in response to his tweet. Also I don't believe his intent matter for criminal liability in market manipulation.
- beaconstudios 8y ago
  > He then went and taunted short sellers on Twitter when the stock went up in response to his tweet. Source? I legitimately haven't seen this. > Also I don't believe his intent matter for criminal liability in market manipulation. I'm not saying it does. Where did I say it does? I don't understand why I keep getting this response.
  - phdp 8y ago
    He sent shorts to David Einhorn https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/elon-musk-makes-good-on-promise-to-send-short-seller-david-einhorn-a-box-of-short-shorts-2018-8-1027450239 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/elon-musk-ma...
    - metalsahu 8y ago
      It was a company, Chubbies, that sent short shorts to David Einhorn not Elon. https://insideevs.com/chubbies-sends-short-shorts-tesla-shorter/ https://insideevs.com/chubbies-sends-short-shorts-tesla-shor...
      - badwolf 8y ago
        Heh. That's actually kind of a chuckleworthy story. Thanks for that.

SkyPuncher 8y ago

> Words mean things. That's how we communicate. Yes, but words are often nuanced and ambiguous. It's why we have an entire legal system to interpret exactly what "words" mean.

chooseaname 8y ago
Just how "nuanced" can the word "secured" mean here?