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Coding is as fundamental as learning to spell. Some things you should force your kids to do for their own good.

by orasis 8y ago

CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
Would you think lesser of people who don't have a software engineering background and chose, instead, to pursue other ambitions in their careers?
- orasis 8y ago
  If they’re having a hard time making money I would think lesser of their parents who should have known better. Abdicating responsibility for your child’s education is not noble.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    First, there's more to life than making money. I want my kids to have a good life, but I define that as more than just making lots of money. Good money at a job they hate isn't what I want for them. Second, software is not the one true path to making money. > Abdicating responsibility for your child’s education is not noble. Fortunately, I suspect that few parents will abdicate their responsibility by listening to your advice.
- apocalypstyx 8y ago
  Programmer (among other things) here, and I have seen exactly this attitude among a not-so-small minority of those around me. Sometimes I get the feeling (when often confronted with the whole 'everyone should earn to code' idea) that there is some articulated and unconscious ideological drive that dictates that we have finally invented a language can completely control all alternative, that is, that we're looking for a real version of the ancient memetic constructs from Stephenson's Snow Crash and that somehow the logic and linear bias of computer code makes it impossible for some so-called postmodern programmer to emerge, or something. [I also think about this when I hear computer majors complain that programming language classes should be count in place of foreign language ones.]
hacknat 8y ago
No, it's not (and BTW you need to learn how to read in order to program, so you're statement is literally false). There are still plenty of ways to be successful in this economy without learning how to program.
beaconstudios 8y ago
No, it isn't. It's very useful, but not as useful as basic communication. There's also some evidence that you need a certain aptitude to be able to code at all: https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-f... Forcing someone with no aptitude or desire to do something is just cruel.
- orasis 8y ago
  Cruel? Cruel is setting your kids up for a life of struggle because they never learned basic skills.
  - beaconstudios 8y ago
    not learning to code is not going to be a handicap through life comparable to being unable to read or write. It just closes off certain professions. Is it cruel to not teach your kids stock portfolio management? Or is it cruel to force your kids to learn portfolio management long after they've expressed complete disinterest in it? I'd say the latter.
    - orasis 8y ago
      Everyone is grooming their kids for something. Most just do it passively. My kids have complete disinterest in sports, yet they play something 3 days a week and are getting better. This version of themselves will have a significant leg up on the version of themselves that never learned to be athletic and will struggle with obesity in their 30s.
  - CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
    As someone who mentors a little over a half dozen adults who are transitioning into technology careers (mostly programming, but not exclusively), I disagree on several points: 1. A lack of programming experience does not necessarily imply a life of struggle. Anecdote: Several of my friends work blue collar jobs (AC install/repair, but also an electrician), and avoid many of life's vices (alcohol, drugs, bad relationships with people with different personal values because they're easy to get into bed with, gambling, extreme religious devotion, the vindication of social media mob participation, etc.). I would call them successful despite not knowing the difference between a function and a method. (Successful enough, at least, to be homeowners in their young 20's despite growing up in poor families.) 2. Programming skill does not necessarily a life free of struggle. I know several homeless people with programming skills. Mental health (which is something our industry severely neglects!) brings its own struggles to the table. 3. Adults who take an interest in programming can gain sufficient aptitude to be valuable to organizations in a short time. Forcing programming down a child's throat does them no favors.

Coding is as fundamental as learning to spell. Some things you should force your kids to do for their own good.

by orasis 8y ago

Coding is as fundamental as learning to spell. Some things you should force your kids to do for their own good.

Would you think lesser of people who don't have a software engineering background and chose, instead, to pursue other ambitions in their careers?

orasis 8y ago
If they’re having a hard time making money I would think lesser of their parents who should have known better. Abdicating responsibility for your child’s education is not noble.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  First, there's more to life than making money. I want my kids to have a good life, but I define that as more than just making lots of money. Good money at a job they hate isn't what I want for them. Second, software is not the one true path to making money. > Abdicating responsibility for your child’s education is not noble. Fortunately, I suspect that few parents will abdicate their responsibility by listening to your advice.
apocalypstyx 8y ago
Programmer (among other things) here, and I have seen exactly this attitude among a not-so-small minority of those around me. Sometimes I get the feeling (when often confronted with the whole 'everyone should earn to code' idea) that there is some articulated and unconscious ideological drive that dictates that we have finally invented a language can completely control all alternative, that is, that we're looking for a real version of the ancient memetic constructs from Stephenson's Snow Crash and that somehow the logic and linear bias of computer code makes it impossible for some so-called postmodern programmer to emerge, or something. [I also think about this when I hear computer majors complain that programming language classes should be count in place of foreign language ones.]

hacknat 8y ago

No, it's not (and BTW you need to learn how to read in order to program, so you're statement is literally false). There are still plenty of ways to be successful in this economy without learning how to program.

beaconstudios 8y ago

No, it isn't. It's very useful, but not as useful as basic communication. There's also some evidence that you need a certain aptitude to be able to code at all: https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-from-non-programming-goats/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/separating-programming-sheep-f... Forcing someone with no aptitude or desire to do something is just cruel.

orasis 8y ago
Cruel? Cruel is setting your kids up for a life of struggle because they never learned basic skills.
- beaconstudios 8y ago
  not learning to code is not going to be a handicap through life comparable to being unable to read or write. It just closes off certain professions. Is it cruel to not teach your kids stock portfolio management? Or is it cruel to force your kids to learn portfolio management long after they've expressed complete disinterest in it? I'd say the latter.
  - orasis 8y ago
    Everyone is grooming their kids for something. Most just do it passively. My kids have complete disinterest in sports, yet they play something 3 days a week and are getting better. This version of themselves will have a significant leg up on the version of themselves that never learned to be athletic and will struggle with obesity in their 30s.
- CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
  As someone who mentors a little over a half dozen adults who are transitioning into technology careers (mostly programming, but not exclusively), I disagree on several points: 1. A lack of programming experience does not necessarily imply a life of struggle. Anecdote: Several of my friends work blue collar jobs (AC install/repair, but also an electrician), and avoid many of life's vices (alcohol, drugs, bad relationships with people with different personal values because they're easy to get into bed with, gambling, extreme religious devotion, the vindication of social media mob participation, etc.). I would call them successful despite not knowing the difference between a function and a method. (Successful enough, at least, to be homeowners in their young 20's despite growing up in poor families.) 2. Programming skill does not necessarily a life free of struggle. I know several homeless people with programming skills. Mental health (which is something our industry severely neglects!) brings its own struggles to the table. 3. Adults who take an interest in programming can gain sufficient aptitude to be valuable to organizations in a short time. Forcing programming down a child's throat does them no favors.