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It does not therefore make sense to reason from "indecent exposure is illegal in a grocery store" to "here is a set of claims I can make on a grocery store as a
by stcredzero 8y ago
It does not therefore make sense to reason from "indecent exposure is illegal in a grocery store" to "here is a set of claims I can make on a grocery store as a public space".
Then how is it that it's illegal for a grocery store to exclude people because of their race? There is clearly some reason that people can't be excluded from a such a space, while there also exist exclusive private clubs.
- tptacek 8y agoI don't understand why this is hard to answer. The reason you can't do that is because the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids that explicitly, and includes its own definition of what institutions the law applies to. I'm also a bit confused by your "then how do you..." framing, as if you might be able to find a first-principles argument to refute my argument, which is a pretty straightforward fact you can just look up in any state's indecent exposure statute.
- stcredzero 8y agoThe reason you can't do that is because the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids that explicitly, and includes its own definition of what institutions the law applies to. And what is the basis of that definition? as if you might be able to find a first-principles argument to refute my argument There is something there. It does have to do with whether or not people can move and function in the public sphere.
- tptacek 8y agoI assume there are several hundred law review articles written by people who are quite a bit more qualified to debate this stuff than we are that can give you several answers to your first question. All I can tell you is: the Civil Rights Act explicitly defines the nature of places where protected classes can and can't be excluded. I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles.
- stcredzero 8y agoI'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles. Is it because it's quite obvious from common sense, and doing so reveals the hypocrisy in politics and social media today?
- tptacek 8y agoWhat a rude way to end a discussion. I took the time to back to primary sources to inform my responses to you. You owed me better than this kind of snark.
- stcredzero 8y agoI don't see how I'm being rude. Sources aren't a sufficient excuse to stop the conversation short of first principles.
- throwaway8879 8y agoYou're comparing a grocery store in the physical realm of trading goods with social media, which makes no sense. Compare social media to traditional media if you want a fair comparison.