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Just fix your schedule... Edit: downvoted for asking people to go up at another clock time in order to match the daylight, instead of going up at the same cloc

Just fix your schedule... Edit: downvoted for asking people to go up at another clock time in order to match the daylight, instead of going up at the same clock time and changing the clock to follow daylight. Really? What's so important about the number on the clock? Why not just be consistent with daylight, and let the clocks be normal?

surye 8y ago
> What's so important about the number on the clock? Because jobs, business hours, travel schedules?
- Natanael_L 8y ago
  Yes, those places can fix their schedules to follow the daylight. Problem solved. Now you don't need to have permanent DST anymore. Why again does people want clock time not to match solar time? It's far more sane to change the numbers on the schedule than to change the clock.
  - anyfoo 8y ago
    If DST was abolished instead of made permanent, what is your plan to make everyone (including businesses, events, transport time tables...) move their hours by one hour earlier? Making DST permanent "just" requires a singular change of legislation, and basically never switching the clocks back to "normal" time. As has already been stated twice in a sibling discussion here, "changing an entire culture is hard", but I'm honestly interested in hearing your approach.
    - Natanael_L 8y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554
  - wpietri 8y ago
    How could having every business and school change their hours twice a year as they please be easier than just agreeing on couple of dates and switching everything? Instead of one time zone every thousand miles or so, you're talking about effectively having several time zones per block. That doesn't sound sane to me.
    - Natanael_L 8y ago
      Doesn't everybody already have different schedules? Aren't seasonal schedules already a thing? Just communicate better. You can already find things like updated opening times in Google maps, etc.
      - wpietri 8y ago
        "Just communicate better" puts an enormous burden on people. I already know the opening times for places I go regularly. Seasonal schedules are not a thing here, presumably because of DST. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's easider for every business update Google (and Yelp and everything else) twice yearly, and that everybody check that before they go anywhere. That is way more human labor than daylight savings.
        Natanael_L 8y ago
        Google could also have the entire year's schedule listed.
        wpietri 8y ago
        Did you notice that you picked the one point you thought you could snipe at, but ignored the rest? Because I sure did. That's the sign of a bad interlocutor.
        Natanael_L 8y ago
        No, because that point pretty much proves it's possible to solve. You haven't heard of Google Now / Assistant, etc? Your phone can notify you of schedule changes pretty easily. In fact even my regular calendar app can support this but itself, it can notify me of changes in booked appointments automatically. And even that's assuming you didn't already know the change in schedule because it was listed right there on the website.
henrikschroder 8y ago
> What's so important about the number on the clock? Convention. You may not like it, you may not understand it, but other people like their conventions, and you're simply in a tiny, tiny minority if you don't get that.
- Natanael_L 8y ago
  The sunlight is the convention I follow.
  - fineline 8y ago
    Right, I'll explain that to my kids school then: "Hi, our family's switched from observing the clock, like everyone else in school, to operating on a schedule that is in rhythm with the ebb and flow of sunrise through the year. From now on, we'd like our kids' school attendance and lesson times to start and finish on a solar timescale. Perhaps a separate buzzer tone could be set up to convenience any kids who will be running their day according to the sun. We do understand the challenge to teachers in accomodating this natural schedule alongside other students who stick with the more familiar clock-based one, but hey - the sunlight is the convention we follow." I mean I live in quite a hippy place but that just ain't gonna fly.
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dragonwriter 8y ago
> Just fix your schedule... Clocks are standardized, which means there's a simple point of coordination for fixing them. Schedules are...not.
- Natanael_L 8y ago
  Wrote about that here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554

surye 8y ago

> What's so important about the number on the clock? Because jobs, business hours, travel schedules?

Natanael_L 8y ago
Yes, those places can fix their schedules to follow the daylight. Problem solved. Now you don't need to have permanent DST anymore. Why again does people want clock time not to match solar time? It's far more sane to change the numbers on the schedule than to change the clock.
- anyfoo 8y ago
  If DST was abolished instead of made permanent, what is your plan to make everyone (including businesses, events, transport time tables...) move their hours by one hour earlier? Making DST permanent "just" requires a singular change of legislation, and basically never switching the clocks back to "normal" time. As has already been stated twice in a sibling discussion here, "changing an entire culture is hard", but I'm honestly interested in hearing your approach.
  - Natanael_L 8y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554
- wpietri 8y ago
  How could having every business and school change their hours twice a year as they please be easier than just agreeing on couple of dates and switching everything? Instead of one time zone every thousand miles or so, you're talking about effectively having several time zones per block. That doesn't sound sane to me.
  - Natanael_L 8y ago
    Doesn't everybody already have different schedules? Aren't seasonal schedules already a thing? Just communicate better. You can already find things like updated opening times in Google maps, etc.
    - wpietri 8y ago
      "Just communicate better" puts an enormous burden on people. I already know the opening times for places I go regularly. Seasonal schedules are not a thing here, presumably because of DST. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's easider for every business update Google (and Yelp and everything else) twice yearly, and that everybody check that before they go anywhere. That is way more human labor than daylight savings.
      - Natanael_L 8y ago
        Google could also have the entire year's schedule listed.
        wpietri 8y ago
        Did you notice that you picked the one point you thought you could snipe at, but ignored the rest? Because I sure did. That's the sign of a bad interlocutor.
        Natanael_L 8y ago
        No, because that point pretty much proves it's possible to solve. You haven't heard of Google Now / Assistant, etc? Your phone can notify you of schedule changes pretty easily. In fact even my regular calendar app can support this but itself, it can notify me of changes in booked appointments automatically. And even that's assuming you didn't already know the change in schedule because it was listed right there on the website.

henrikschroder 8y ago

> What's so important about the number on the clock? Convention. You may not like it, you may not understand it, but other people like their conventions, and you're simply in a tiny, tiny minority if you don't get that.

Natanael_L 8y ago
The sunlight is the convention I follow.
- fineline 8y ago
  Right, I'll explain that to my kids school then: "Hi, our family's switched from observing the clock, like everyone else in school, to operating on a schedule that is in rhythm with the ebb and flow of sunrise through the year. From now on, we'd like our kids' school attendance and lesson times to start and finish on a solar timescale. Perhaps a separate buzzer tone could be set up to convenience any kids who will be running their day according to the sun. We do understand the challenge to teachers in accomodating this natural schedule alongside other students who stick with the more familiar clock-based one, but hey - the sunlight is the convention we follow." I mean I live in quite a hippy place but that just ain't gonna fly.

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dragonwriter 8y ago

> Just fix your schedule... Clocks are standardized, which means there's a simple point of coordination for fixing them. Schedules are...not.

Natanael_L 8y ago
Wrote about that here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011554