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> setting down at 8:30 uh, in France it's more like 10pm in Paris at the end of June, and 10:20 in Brest (western France).

hannasanarion 8y ago
France is also a full time zone West of where it should be.
- beojan 8y ago
  Part of France is in the right timezone, and part isn't. It's Spain that's really crazy.
- etiennemarcel 8y ago
  "Funny" story about that... We switched to Berlin time when Paris was occupied in 1940. We didn't go back to GMT after the war.
  - rvschuilenburg 8y ago
    Same thing happened here in The Netherlands. We were in our very own little "Amsterdam Time" which was UTC+00:20 but switched to Berlin Time during the war and we never switched back.
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  Having lived both in France and a solar hour to the east of it (but still in CET), I find that France is exactly where it should be and most of CET is off by an hour or more. Moving the EU to permanent DST will fix some of this for me.
  - beojan 8y ago
    > I find that France is exactly where it should be and most of CET is off by an hour or more How? The correct timezone is the one where the sun is closest to directly overhead at 12 noon. The real problem is that 9 to 5 is a lopsided working day, because it's centred on 1 pm, not noon. DST just moves solar noon to 1 pm, when the correct fix would be to move the working day to 8 to 4.
    - tom_mellior 8y ago
      As you explain, the "correct" timezone does not correspond to most people's preferences. Metropolitan France's position within its timezone is a better fit for my preferences than the positions of more easterly countries in the same timezone. I don't care where the sun is at noon; I care where the sun is after work.
      - beojan 8y ago
        > I don't care where the sun is at noon; I care where the sun is after work. Precisely, so it's the working day that should be changed, not the clock. The clock affect everyone, including people who do care where the sun is in the sky (e.g. those working outdoors).

hannasanarion 8y ago

France is also a full time zone West of where it should be.

beojan 8y ago
Part of France is in the right timezone, and part isn't. It's Spain that's really crazy.
etiennemarcel 8y ago
"Funny" story about that... We switched to Berlin time when Paris was occupied in 1940. We didn't go back to GMT after the war.
- rvschuilenburg 8y ago
  Same thing happened here in The Netherlands. We were in our very own little "Amsterdam Time" which was UTC+00:20 but switched to Berlin Time during the war and we never switched back.
tom_mellior 8y ago
Having lived both in France and a solar hour to the east of it (but still in CET), I find that France is exactly where it should be and most of CET is off by an hour or more. Moving the EU to permanent DST will fix some of this for me.
- beojan 8y ago
  > I find that France is exactly where it should be and most of CET is off by an hour or more How? The correct timezone is the one where the sun is closest to directly overhead at 12 noon. The real problem is that 9 to 5 is a lopsided working day, because it's centred on 1 pm, not noon. DST just moves solar noon to 1 pm, when the correct fix would be to move the working day to 8 to 4.
  - tom_mellior 8y ago
    As you explain, the "correct" timezone does not correspond to most people's preferences. Metropolitan France's position within its timezone is a better fit for my preferences than the positions of more easterly countries in the same timezone. I don't care where the sun is at noon; I care where the sun is after work.
    - beojan 8y ago
      > I don't care where the sun is at noon; I care where the sun is after work. Precisely, so it's the working day that should be changed, not the clock. The clock affect everyone, including people who do care where the sun is in the sky (e.g. those working outdoors).