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People here in Southern California exercise and prefer extra sunshine. Farmers here are against the repeal as well. Even popular mechanic endorses DST as a good

People here in Southern California exercise and prefer extra sunshine. Farmers here are against the repeal as well. Even popular mechanic endorses DST as a good thing: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a18011/in-defense-of-daylight-saving-time/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a18011/...

btilly 8y ago
Do you have a source for farmers liking it? Every reference that I have seen agrees with https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/ https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farm... that farmers don't like DST. In fact the original reason to introduce it was to save energy, and it doesn't do that either. I know that I will vote for the repeal.
- SCAQTony 8y ago
  I concede that I cannot fine a solid study regarding farmers opposing, only anecdotal. I am curios and if I may ask, do you engage in any outdoor activities? I do and the people I exercise with do too. But I did find that crime rates drop: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/fighting-crime-with-daylight-saving-time/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/figh... I will not be voting for the repeal.
  - btilly 8y ago
    If you read your article, being on DST permanently should be even better than the current switching. The California bill is for permanently being on DST. Which is equivalent to the present for most of the year, in my opinion is better in the winter, and avoids the disruption twice a year. And to answer your question, I do engage in outdoor activities. Mostly hiking and the beach. My preference for hiking is for later in the day because I want to sleep in, and wait for the heat to break.
  - jrahmy 8y ago
    I think you might be confused. The repeal will switch us to DST year-round, which seems to be what you'd prefer.
- peterarmstrong 8y ago
  I grew up in Saskatchewan, which is the most farmer-focused province in Canada, and is probably more farmer-focused than almost all US states. Saskatchewan has never had DST.
  - Pxtl 8y ago
    Technically Sask is always on DST, right? That is, its solar noon is at 1pm, not noon, which compared to time-changing areas is DST (summer hours).
    - dade_ 8y ago
      Yeah, late night sun in summer, and watch the sun rise at work in Winter. I want permanent DST.
- crikli 8y ago
  From Nebraska, not California, but grew up working on a farm and am married into a 5th generation farm family. None of us want DST.
astrodust 8y ago
"Farmers, contrary to the strange and completely false belief that DST was created for them, actually despise it: Their schedules are entirely run by sunlight rather than the clock..." Seriously, arguments for DST are absolutely ridiculous. In the summer when the days are longest it kicks in, which is pointless. In the winter when days are shorter it's not active. Throw DST into the trash where it belongs.
- dagenix 8y ago
  Let's keep DST year round and ditch "standard time"
  - astrodust 8y ago
    Russia said "sure" years ago.
    - nzp 8y ago
      But said "nope" a couple of years after. They are now on standard time year round.
  - Pxtl 8y ago
    That's what Saskatchewan does.
- dgemm 8y ago
  If their schedules are entirely run by daylight then why care at all what the clock says?
jstanley 8y ago
You must agree that the timezone you choose has no effect whatsoever on the amount of sunshine there is in a day. If you want to be outside in the sunshine, you can go outside while it's sunny, whatever time of day that happens to be.
- rifung 8y ago
  Yes but many if not most people work at certain hours and don't have the flexibility to change those hours. So people can't necessarily just go outside when it's sunny.
phaedryx 8y ago
Cows can't tell time. Corn can't tell time. I grew up in a farming community. I never understand the "farmers" argument.

btilly 8y ago

Do you have a source for farmers liking it? Every reference that I have seen agrees with https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/ https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farm... that farmers don't like DST. In fact the original reason to introduce it was to save energy, and it doesn't do that either. I know that I will vote for the repeal.

SCAQTony 8y ago
I concede that I cannot fine a solid study regarding farmers opposing, only anecdotal. I am curios and if I may ask, do you engage in any outdoor activities? I do and the people I exercise with do too. But I did find that crime rates drop: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/fighting-crime-with-daylight-saving-time/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/figh... I will not be voting for the repeal.
- btilly 8y ago
  If you read your article, being on DST permanently should be even better than the current switching. The California bill is for permanently being on DST. Which is equivalent to the present for most of the year, in my opinion is better in the winter, and avoids the disruption twice a year. And to answer your question, I do engage in outdoor activities. Mostly hiking and the beach. My preference for hiking is for later in the day because I want to sleep in, and wait for the heat to break.
- jrahmy 8y ago
  I think you might be confused. The repeal will switch us to DST year-round, which seems to be what you'd prefer.
peterarmstrong 8y ago
I grew up in Saskatchewan, which is the most farmer-focused province in Canada, and is probably more farmer-focused than almost all US states. Saskatchewan has never had DST.
- Pxtl 8y ago
  Technically Sask is always on DST, right? That is, its solar noon is at 1pm, not noon, which compared to time-changing areas is DST (summer hours).
  - dade_ 8y ago
    Yeah, late night sun in summer, and watch the sun rise at work in Winter. I want permanent DST.
crikli 8y ago
From Nebraska, not California, but grew up working on a farm and am married into a 5th generation farm family. None of us want DST.

astrodust 8y ago

"Farmers, contrary to the strange and completely false belief that DST was created for them, actually despise it: Their schedules are entirely run by sunlight rather than the clock..." Seriously, arguments for DST are absolutely ridiculous. In the summer when the days are longest it kicks in, which is pointless. In the winter when days are shorter it's not active. Throw DST into the trash where it belongs.

dagenix 8y ago
Let's keep DST year round and ditch "standard time"
- astrodust 8y ago
  Russia said "sure" years ago.
  - nzp 8y ago
    But said "nope" a couple of years after. They are now on standard time year round.
- Pxtl 8y ago
  That's what Saskatchewan does.
dgemm 8y ago
If their schedules are entirely run by daylight then why care at all what the clock says?

jstanley 8y ago

You must agree that the timezone you choose has no effect whatsoever on the amount of sunshine there is in a day. If you want to be outside in the sunshine, you can go outside while it's sunny, whatever time of day that happens to be.

rifung 8y ago
Yes but many if not most people work at certain hours and don't have the flexibility to change those hours. So people can't necessarily just go outside when it's sunny.

phaedryx 8y ago

Cows can't tell time. Corn can't tell time. I grew up in a farming community. I never understand the "farmers" argument.