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> Loyalty seems to only work one way. The asymmetry of relational power between employer and employee/job-seeker and job-creator has gotten so bad in the Ameri

> Loyalty seems to only work one way. The asymmetry of relational power between employer and employee/job-seeker and job-creator has gotten so bad in the American work force it should probably be studied as a real economic indicator.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
So, you support communism? Yep, Ive heard that. I only wish it were sarcasm. Questioning anything about capitalism and how it fails people is the ultimate taboo. Sure, you are allowed to grouse about it as lower class, but 'that was brought upon yourself'... It always is, in a system like ours.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  I've heard that too and I have to remind people that there's nothing in the US constitution against implementing some far left checks on capitalism to keep the worker/employer relationship fair and equal. I hear so many stories from the 90's and early 00's about how wonderful the corporate environments I now work in were great places to work with great benefits, happy workers, constant raises and opportunities for bonuses, some people even got a guaranteed $1 yearly raise. Now some grandfathered people that have been here that long are making $50-60/hr for a job they now pay $25/hr for. That environment is long gone and it seems things are only getting worse on a daily basis unless you're a Software Engineer and I don't doubt the hammer will come down on them soon as well.
  - iamdave 8y ago
    d it seems things are only getting worse on a daily basis unless you're a Software Engineer and I don't doubt the hammer will come down on them soon as well. Why would you joke about something like that? (https://giphy.com/gifs/YVBC4HdSpB7z2 https://giphy.com/gifs/YVBC4HdSpB7z2) I've actually been working towards making an exit from tech-actually part of that preparation is lowering my living expenses because it's going to come with a substantial drop in annual income to pursue the goals I'm pivoting towards. Which, I'm actually fine with because I'm envisioning and plotting for a substantial QOL upgrade, or at least an upgrade to the mental stress doing what I've wanted to since the start.
- iamdave 8y ago
  Yep, Ive heard that. I only wish it were sarcasm. I've heard it too. My response is usually equally quippy: So, you hate money or having more negotiating power? Which is it? Sometimes the people I've deployed that at are smart enough to get the point quickly and a much more enjoyable debate can spring forth. But then there are the real wackos. The true believers who if you asked them today, would probably look you square in the eye and ask you if you were joking after you told them Joe McCarthy was dead.
- jl2718 8y ago
  And yet communism always results in something approximating slavery. At either extreme, I don't see the difference between crony capitalism and communism. You either have innovation and freedom or stagnation and centralization.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

So, you support communism? Yep, Ive heard that. I only wish it were sarcasm. Questioning anything about capitalism and how it fails people is the ultimate taboo. Sure, you are allowed to grouse about it as lower class, but 'that was brought upon yourself'... It always is, in a system like ours.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
I've heard that too and I have to remind people that there's nothing in the US constitution against implementing some far left checks on capitalism to keep the worker/employer relationship fair and equal. I hear so many stories from the 90's and early 00's about how wonderful the corporate environments I now work in were great places to work with great benefits, happy workers, constant raises and opportunities for bonuses, some people even got a guaranteed $1 yearly raise. Now some grandfathered people that have been here that long are making $50-60/hr for a job they now pay $25/hr for. That environment is long gone and it seems things are only getting worse on a daily basis unless you're a Software Engineer and I don't doubt the hammer will come down on them soon as well.
- iamdave 8y ago
  d it seems things are only getting worse on a daily basis unless you're a Software Engineer and I don't doubt the hammer will come down on them soon as well. Why would you joke about something like that? (https://giphy.com/gifs/YVBC4HdSpB7z2 https://giphy.com/gifs/YVBC4HdSpB7z2) I've actually been working towards making an exit from tech-actually part of that preparation is lowering my living expenses because it's going to come with a substantial drop in annual income to pursue the goals I'm pivoting towards. Which, I'm actually fine with because I'm envisioning and plotting for a substantial QOL upgrade, or at least an upgrade to the mental stress doing what I've wanted to since the start.
iamdave 8y ago
Yep, Ive heard that. I only wish it were sarcasm. I've heard it too. My response is usually equally quippy: So, you hate money or having more negotiating power? Which is it? Sometimes the people I've deployed that at are smart enough to get the point quickly and a much more enjoyable debate can spring forth. But then there are the real wackos. The true believers who if you asked them today, would probably look you square in the eye and ask you if you were joking after you told them Joe McCarthy was dead.
jl2718 8y ago
And yet communism always results in something approximating slavery. At either extreme, I don't see the difference between crony capitalism and communism. You either have innovation and freedom or stagnation and centralization.