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California is actually voting on it this fall. Although like you mentioned it is dependent on the federal gov allowing it: https://ballotpedia.org/California_
by JoblessWonder 8y ago
California is actually voting on it this fall. Although like you mentioned it is dependent on the federal gov allowing it:
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_7,_Permanent_Daylight_Saving_Time_Measure_(2018) https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_7,_Permanent_...
- SCAQTony 8y agoPeople here in Southern California exercise and prefer extra sunshine. Farmers here are against the repeal as well. Even popular mechanic endorses DST as a good thing: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a18011/in-defense-of-daylight-saving-time/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a18011/...
- btilly 8y agoDo you have a source for farmers liking it? Every reference that I have seen agrees with https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/ https://agamerica.com/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farm... that farmers don't like DST. In fact the original reason to introduce it was to save energy, and it doesn't do that either. I know that I will vote for the repeal.
- SCAQTony 8y agoI concede that I cannot fine a solid study regarding farmers opposing, only anecdotal. I am curios and if I may ask, do you engage in any outdoor activities? I do and the people I exercise with do too. But I did find that crime rates drop: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/fighting-crime-with-daylight-saving-time/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2015/10/29/figh... I will not be voting for the repeal.
- btilly 8y agoIf you read your article, being on DST permanently should be even better than the current switching. The California bill is for permanently being on DST. Which is equivalent to the present for most of the year, in my opinion is better in the winter, and avoids the disruption twice a year. And to answer your question, I do engage in outdoor activities. Mostly hiking and the beach. My preference for hiking is for later in the day because I want to sleep in, and wait for the heat to break.
- jrahmy 8y agoI think you might be confused. The repeal will switch us to DST year-round, which seems to be what you'd prefer.
- peterarmstrong 8y agoI grew up in Saskatchewan, which is the most farmer-focused province in Canada, and is probably more farmer-focused than almost all US states. Saskatchewan has never had DST.
- crikli 8y agoFrom Nebraska, not California, but grew up working on a farm and am married into a 5th generation farm family. None of us want DST.
- astrodust 8y ago"Farmers, contrary to the strange and completely false belief that DST was created for them, actually despise it: Their schedules are entirely run by sunlight rather than the clock..." Seriously, arguments for DST are absolutely ridiculous. In the summer when the days are longest it kicks in, which is pointless. In the winter when days are shorter it's not active. Throw DST into the trash where it belongs.
- jstanley 8y agoYou must agree that the timezone you choose has no effect whatsoever on the amount of sunshine there is in a day. If you want to be outside in the sunshine, you can go outside while it's sunny, whatever time of day that happens to be.
- rifung 8y agoYes but many if not most people work at certain hours and don't have the flexibility to change those hours. So people can't necessarily just go outside when it's sunny.
- phaedryx 8y agoCows can't tell time. Corn can't tell time. I grew up in a farming community. I never understand the "farmers" argument.
- snickerbockers 8y agoWhy is permanent DST being considered instead of an absolute abolition of DST?
- arijun 8y agoNo DST means that solar noon is always at 12:00. While useful for figuring out what time it is without a watch that's a less common occurrence nowadays. DST, on the other hand, pushes daytime later, so if you wake up at say 8 (after sunrise for most of the year) and go to sleep at midnight (after sunset), you see more daylight.
- Natanael_L 8y agoJust fix your schedule... Edit: downvoted for asking people to go up at another clock time in order to match the daylight, instead of going up at the same clock time and changing the clock to follow daylight. Really? What's so important about the number on the clock? Why not just be consistent with daylight, and let the clocks be normal?
- surye 8y ago> What's so important about the number on the clock? Because jobs, business hours, travel schedules?
- Natanael_L 8y agoYes, those places can fix their schedules to follow the daylight. Problem solved. Now you don't need to have permanent DST anymore. Why again does people want clock time not to match solar time? It's far more sane to change the numbers on the schedule than to change the clock.
- anyfoo 8y agoIf DST was abolished instead of made permanent, what is your plan to make everyone (including businesses, events, transport time tables...) move their hours by one hour earlier? Making DST permanent "just" requires a singular change of legislation, and basically never switching the clocks back to "normal" time. As has already been stated twice in a sibling discussion here, "changing an entire culture is hard", but I'm honestly interested in hearing your approach.