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) ) That school massacres aren't real ) ) but are staged by actors and the "lying" media. ) Both sides on the gun debate lie. How can both sides lie at the q

) ) That school massacres aren't real ) ) but are staged by actors and the "lying" media. ) Both sides on the gun debate lie. How can both sides lie at the quoted example? Either there were people killed or not? How can both sides lie at the same time about it? Can a person be half killed? Even if there was a Schrödinger person, wouldn't fact checking collapse the state to either one?

gwbas1c 8y ago
Because one side perpetuates the good guy with the guy myth, and the other side drastically inflates the numbers of school shootings. Hense, both sides lie. The mistruths end up being the biggest obstacle to proper gun reform. We can't compromise when both sides aren't truthful or realistic. If you think your side is "right" then I suggest educating yourself about guns from someone without a political agenda.
- adamzochowski 8y ago
  I am curious about inflating school shooting numbers. Do you have links for that? Are you saying that there were fake deaths and there are crisis paid actors?
  - gwbas1c 8y ago
    https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-betw... That's NPR! Seriously, gun control reform is very important. We just need the activists on both sides to start acting like reasonable adults. (Begin rant) On the right, there's the "good guy with the gun" myth; and the belief that responsible homeowners need to have a gun "for safety." Both are absurd. On the left, there's this belief that bad guns can be banned, and good guns allowed. That's also absurd, because all guns are designed to kill! A hunter sitting in a tree waiting for a deer uses the same equipment as a man looking through a window waiting for his victim. That's what I mean by acting like adults. The right and left are so unrealistic that they're going to get nowhere with real reform.
    - actsasbuffoon 8y ago
      I'm not aware of a widespread belief that school shootings are more common now than they were in the 90s. That said, just because the rate isn't increasing, is that a compelling argument for not addressing school shootings? If your house burned down once this year, but it burned down 3 times in 1998, I think you're still having too many house fires. How is that an argument that there's no need to buy a smoke alarm, and maybe re-examine your lifestyle to understand why you're experiencing such an unusually high number of fires?
    - adamzochowski 8y ago
      I read the article, where does it say about lying and faking school shooting numbers? Crisis actors? Fake deaths? Because that is the lie we started from. The article talks about perception. That people now are more worried about school shootings than they used to be, despite past being 4 times worse off. I agree with you that there are perception / reality issues on both sides. For example: most gun perpetrators and most deaths are from gun suicides. But the discussion here is about explicit lies. That there was no school shooting. That the people on tv are trained actors.

gwbas1c 8y ago

Because one side perpetuates the good guy with the guy myth, and the other side drastically inflates the numbers of school shootings. Hense, both sides lie. The mistruths end up being the biggest obstacle to proper gun reform. We can't compromise when both sides aren't truthful or realistic. If you think your side is "right" then I suggest educating yourself about guns from someone without a political agenda.

adamzochowski 8y ago
I am curious about inflating school shooting numbers. Do you have links for that? Are you saying that there were fake deaths and there are crisis paid actors?
- gwbas1c 8y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-betw... That's NPR! Seriously, gun control reform is very important. We just need the activists on both sides to start acting like reasonable adults. (Begin rant) On the right, there's the "good guy with the gun" myth; and the belief that responsible homeowners need to have a gun "for safety." Both are absurd. On the left, there's this belief that bad guns can be banned, and good guns allowed. That's also absurd, because all guns are designed to kill! A hunter sitting in a tree waiting for a deer uses the same equipment as a man looking through a window waiting for his victim. That's what I mean by acting like adults. The right and left are so unrealistic that they're going to get nowhere with real reform.
  - actsasbuffoon 8y ago
    I'm not aware of a widespread belief that school shootings are more common now than they were in the 90s. That said, just because the rate isn't increasing, is that a compelling argument for not addressing school shootings? If your house burned down once this year, but it burned down 3 times in 1998, I think you're still having too many house fires. How is that an argument that there's no need to buy a smoke alarm, and maybe re-examine your lifestyle to understand why you're experiencing such an unusually high number of fires?
  - adamzochowski 8y ago
    I read the article, where does it say about lying and faking school shooting numbers? Crisis actors? Fake deaths? Because that is the lie we started from. The article talks about perception. That people now are more worried about school shootings than they used to be, despite past being 4 times worse off. I agree with you that there are perception / reality issues on both sides. For example: most gun perpetrators and most deaths are from gun suicides. But the discussion here is about explicit lies. That there was no school shooting. That the people on tv are trained actors.