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> Maybe I'm naieve, but I feel building automated law breaking systems is not something corporations do Did you already forget the VW diesel scandal? That was

> Maybe I'm naieve, but I feel building automated law breaking systems is not something corporations do Did you already forget the VW diesel scandal? That was exactly that - a huge corporation systematically breaking the law with lots of people even in the highest ranks aware of and supporting it.

tinco 8y ago
Well yeah, and it was ridiculously dumb, lots of people go to jail and big fines were levied. I suppose that you have a point and corporations might do it. At the same time I like to believe it's just not worth it for them.
- contravariant 8y ago
  I can find a few small fines, but as far as I can tell nobody went to jail for that one.
  - consumer451 8y ago
    > A Volkswagen AG compliance executive who pleaded guilty in the U.S. for his role in the company’s $30 billion emissions cheating scandal was sentenced to 7 years in prison. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-06/vw-executive-sentenced-to-7-years-in-prison-for-diesel-role https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-06/vw-execut...
    - detaro 8y ago
      And Germany temporarily jailed a bunch of executives (including Audi's CEO, who is still in jail as far as I know) this year to stop them interfering with investigations, and results of those investigations might lead to more being sentenced once they're done.
  - bryanrasmussen 8y ago
    yes, VW was small fines. GDPR, especially for something like what is being suggested here, would be astronomical. Not saying nobody will do it, because humans are stupid. to quote vincent vega re: the keying of his car, it would be worth having them do it, just to catch them doing it.
    - carlmr 8y ago
      >VW was small fines https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/investing/volkswagen-diesel-cost-30-billion/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/investing/volkswagen-diesel... $30 billion is not small fines, add to that that it isn't over yet. It's already more than what BP paid for their oil spill, and the oil spill is thousand times worse in terms of its environmental effect. At least in this article it's the biggest fine for any corporate crime levied. https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2015 https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2... There are very few fines that have been higher. Hyundai only paid $100 million for their emission scandal one year before, with not much fanfare: http://time.com/3555696/hyundai-kia-fined-carbon-emissions/ http://time.com/3555696/hyundai-kia-fined-carbon-emissions/
- benologist 8y ago
  https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/09/top-100-corporate-criminals-1990s/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/09/top-100-corpora... Exxon, Royal Caribbean, Rockwell International, Warner- Lambert, Teledyne, and United Technologies each pled guilty to more than one crime during the 1990s. https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2015 https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2... Five banks (Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Barclays, Royal Bank of Scotland and UBS) had to pay a total of $2.5 billion to the Justice Department and $1.8 billion to the Federal Reserve in connection with charges that they conspired to manipulate foreign exchange markets. https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/4-of-the-biggest-crimes-committed-by-ceos.html/ https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/4-of-the-biggest-cri... In 2008 and 2009, a salmonella outbreak killed nine people across the U.S. and sickened hundreds more. The source of the contamination was traced back to the Peanut Corporation of America (PCA), a Virginia company run out of its CEO’s garage. The salmonella outbreak turned out not to be a tragic accident, but rather the direct result of PCA’s and CEO Stewart Parnell’s decision to intentionally ship contaminated products. In 2014, Parnell was convicted for his role in the crime. The list just goes on and on and on and on.
drewmol 8y ago
Or Uber using Greyball to try and evade regulatory enforcement in specific locations?

tinco 8y ago

Well yeah, and it was ridiculously dumb, lots of people go to jail and big fines were levied. I suppose that you have a point and corporations might do it. At the same time I like to believe it's just not worth it for them.

contravariant 8y ago
I can find a few small fines, but as far as I can tell nobody went to jail for that one.
- consumer451 8y ago
  > A Volkswagen AG compliance executive who pleaded guilty in the U.S. for his role in the company’s $30 billion emissions cheating scandal was sentenced to 7 years in prison. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-06/vw-executive-sentenced-to-7-years-in-prison-for-diesel-role https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-06/vw-execut...
  - detaro 8y ago
    And Germany temporarily jailed a bunch of executives (including Audi's CEO, who is still in jail as far as I know) this year to stop them interfering with investigations, and results of those investigations might lead to more being sentenced once they're done.
- bryanrasmussen 8y ago
  yes, VW was small fines. GDPR, especially for something like what is being suggested here, would be astronomical. Not saying nobody will do it, because humans are stupid. to quote vincent vega re: the keying of his car, it would be worth having them do it, just to catch them doing it.
  - carlmr 8y ago
    >VW was small fines https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/investing/volkswagen-diesel-cost-30-billion/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/29/investing/volkswagen-diesel... $30 billion is not small fines, add to that that it isn't over yet. It's already more than what BP paid for their oil spill, and the oil spill is thousand times worse in terms of its environmental effect. At least in this article it's the biggest fine for any corporate crime levied. https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2015 https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2... There are very few fines that have been higher. Hyundai only paid $100 million for their emission scandal one year before, with not much fanfare: http://time.com/3555696/hyundai-kia-fined-carbon-emissions/ http://time.com/3555696/hyundai-kia-fined-carbon-emissions/
benologist 8y ago
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/09/top-100-corporate-criminals-1990s/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/09/top-100-corpora... Exxon, Royal Caribbean, Rockwell International, Warner- Lambert, Teledyne, and United Technologies each pled guilty to more than one crime during the 1990s. https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2015 https://www.alternet.org/economy/17-worst-corporate-crimes-2... Five banks (Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Barclays, Royal Bank of Scotland and UBS) had to pay a total of $2.5 billion to the Justice Department and $1.8 billion to the Federal Reserve in connection with charges that they conspired to manipulate foreign exchange markets. https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/4-of-the-biggest-crimes-committed-by-ceos.html/ https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/4-of-the-biggest-cri... In 2008 and 2009, a salmonella outbreak killed nine people across the U.S. and sickened hundreds more. The source of the contamination was traced back to the Peanut Corporation of America (PCA), a Virginia company run out of its CEO’s garage. The salmonella outbreak turned out not to be a tragic accident, but rather the direct result of PCA’s and CEO Stewart Parnell’s decision to intentionally ship contaminated products. In 2014, Parnell was convicted for his role in the crime. The list just goes on and on and on and on.

drewmol 8y ago

Or Uber using Greyball to try and evade regulatory enforcement in specific locations?