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But what you describe is a real conundrum for governments isn't it? If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do every

But what you describe is a real conundrum for governments isn't it? If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do everything they can to stop the far right/far left from rising from the ashes of the failed social safety net. Instead, what we see mostly is the mainstream parties blaming the far right/far left without even addressing the issues that have led to people actually joining their ranks. Its the same in Europe. Some people say they want a different Europe, mainstream politicians say no. People then have the impression that their voices have not been heard. What do they do? They vote far right or far left and say: "now, can you hear me?" But even that's still not enough, because most politicians are only concerned with being reelected, they still don't listen and they even blame the people who now despise the mainstream parties. I can't understand this kind of logic.

BenjaminBlair 8y ago
Addressing the far-right/far left for the mobilization of unheard voices is kind of like treating the symptom. What we have here is a failing economy based on the enormous banking sector, debt and trickle down economics. Most of it is based on ideological premises, the belief that big profits will be reinvested to create more jobs, the idea of "responsible business", whatever that is. I mean, I can imagine small responsibilities that successful businesses take upon themselves, but can't imagine them solving global or national-scale scale problems. Anyway, the public political discourse is usually addressing the symptoms, like far-right blaming the immigrants or far-left bringing back some welfare-state memories. Looks like ever since the iron curtain was lifted global economies have been rocked by constant crisis and the voters want an answer, so they choose either left or right or whoever is speaking "the truth". And of course it's hard to address economic problems, requires a well-educated know-how.
mschuster91 8y ago
> If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do everything they can to stop the far right/far left from rising from the ashes of the failed social safety net. The problem is that politicians care about their individual pockets, not what happens to society after their term. Politicians are not incentivized to serve the people - quite the contrary. And even if they do end up thrown out of office, a nice private sector job is waiting for those who let themselves be bribed.
AnimalMuppet 8y ago
> If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do everything they can to stop the far right/far left from rising from the ashes of the failed social safety net. I don't think they can. When the mainstream messes up really badly, people turn to the fringe. The mainstream can try to hinder them, but can't really stop them by anything other than not messing up badly. Once something like 2008 has happened, it's already too late.

BenjaminBlair 8y ago

Addressing the far-right/far left for the mobilization of unheard voices is kind of like treating the symptom. What we have here is a failing economy based on the enormous banking sector, debt and trickle down economics. Most of it is based on ideological premises, the belief that big profits will be reinvested to create more jobs, the idea of "responsible business", whatever that is. I mean, I can imagine small responsibilities that successful businesses take upon themselves, but can't imagine them solving global or national-scale scale problems. Anyway, the public political discourse is usually addressing the symptoms, like far-right blaming the immigrants or far-left bringing back some welfare-state memories. Looks like ever since the iron curtain was lifted global economies have been rocked by constant crisis and the voters want an answer, so they choose either left or right or whoever is speaking "the truth". And of course it's hard to address economic problems, requires a well-educated know-how.

mschuster91 8y ago

> If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do everything they can to stop the far right/far left from rising from the ashes of the failed social safety net. The problem is that politicians care about their individual pockets, not what happens to society after their term. Politicians are not incentivized to serve the people - quite the contrary. And even if they do end up thrown out of office, a nice private sector job is waiting for those who let themselves be bribed.

AnimalMuppet 8y ago

> If this hypothesis is true then you would think that the government in place would do everything they can to stop the far right/far left from rising from the ashes of the failed social safety net. I don't think they can. When the mainstream messes up really badly, people turn to the fringe. The mainstream can try to hinder them, but can't really stop them by anything other than not messing up badly. Once something like 2008 has happened, it's already too late.