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These shops don't sell coffee — They're real estate companies for ultra-short term coworking and third-place/feel-good lifestyle. Just like McDonalds (in some E

by marban 8y ago

These shops don't sell coffee — They're real estate companies for ultra-short term coworking and third-place/feel-good lifestyle. Just like McDonalds (in some European countries at least).

walterbell 8y ago
Joe and the Juice is innovating on interior design/aesthetics, product (juice and coffee) and margins.
- hannob 8y ago
  I always found Joe and the Juice absolutely unbearable because they always seem to play annoying music far too loud. Not at all comparable to Costa Coffee or other places where you can drink a relaxed cup of coffee, let alone work.
  - hellweaver666 8y ago
    J&J have started moving into the Netherlands lately too... they have opened four or five stores just in Amsterdam (annoyingly kicking out some really great local places in the process). The coffee scene there is crazy compared to the UK... way more independents. I could see Costa popping up here soon as Coke take on Starbucks at a global level.
  - AJRF 8y ago
    Agree about the overloud music, but I find J&TJ's coffee absolutely the best you can get on the high street. Fantastic stuff, but totally agree with your point about the music. I would love to be able to post up there and work, but I unfortunately need almost complete silence to focus.
    - walterbell 8y ago
      Noise-cancelling headphones? The volume seems to vary by city, it was low/background in a city location with plentiful floor space when they were at 20% capacity, super loud in another city where the location had much less square footage and were at 90% capacity. Could be a crowd control mechanism.
detritus 8y ago
...but they actually charge for coffee and attendant consumables; not the third-place space. - ed Or, rather, the latter promotes uptake of more of the former.
mosselman 8y ago
You can go in and take the coffee out, but yes if you want to look at it differently that 'coffee' is part coffee part rent.

by marban 8y ago

These shops don't sell coffee — They're real estate companies for ultra-short term coworking and third-place/feel-good lifestyle. Just like McDonalds (in some European countries at least).

walterbell 8y ago

Joe and the Juice is innovating on interior design/aesthetics, product (juice and coffee) and margins.

hannob 8y ago
I always found Joe and the Juice absolutely unbearable because they always seem to play annoying music far too loud. Not at all comparable to Costa Coffee or other places where you can drink a relaxed cup of coffee, let alone work.
- hellweaver666 8y ago
  J&J have started moving into the Netherlands lately too... they have opened four or five stores just in Amsterdam (annoyingly kicking out some really great local places in the process). The coffee scene there is crazy compared to the UK... way more independents. I could see Costa popping up here soon as Coke take on Starbucks at a global level.
- AJRF 8y ago
  Agree about the overloud music, but I find J&TJ's coffee absolutely the best you can get on the high street. Fantastic stuff, but totally agree with your point about the music. I would love to be able to post up there and work, but I unfortunately need almost complete silence to focus.
  - walterbell 8y ago
    Noise-cancelling headphones? The volume seems to vary by city, it was low/background in a city location with plentiful floor space when they were at 20% capacity, super loud in another city where the location had much less square footage and were at 90% capacity. Could be a crowd control mechanism.

detritus 8y ago

...but they actually charge for coffee and attendant consumables; not the third-place space. - ed Or, rather, the latter promotes uptake of more of the former.

mosselman 8y ago

You can go in and take the coffee out, but yes if you want to look at it differently that 'coffee' is part coffee part rent.