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I agree. I liked his rants, I found them entertaining, and I wish I was the target of one! (I would probably need to work on my coding skills first.) I wish peo

by tomp 8y ago

I agree. I liked his rants, I found them entertaining, and I wish I was the target of one! (I would probably need to work on my coding skills first.) I wish people would grow thicker skins and get more emotionally mature, and be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally.

zemo 8y ago
ignoring your emotions and the emotions of others and seeing all of life as an exercise of pure rationalism is not emotional maturity, it's emotional cowardice.
- merpnderp 8y ago
  Parent didn’t say ignore them. I’m pretty sure they meant not be an emotional child completely incapable of surviving the slings and arrows of life. Rule your emotions instead of being ruled by them.
  - zemo 8y ago
    acknowledging your emotions is not being ruled by them.
  - checkyoursudo 8y ago
    Applies equally to archer and target, yes?
komali2 8y ago
> I wish people would grow thicker skins and get more emotionally mature, and be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally This is the "rock polisher" thesis of life, which I've also called the "bully thesis." I grew up swapping between different parts of America that approached "how to generate a functional adult" differentally. Some places, it was "love and care for your fellow man. Work together to make a better world." Other places it was "we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving, therefore we're gonna beat you to get you ready for it." What I've learned is that society is exactly how you make it. If you allow kids to bully and beat the shit out of each other in the playground, you're gonna get a society of Biggest Fist Wins. If you go the other direction, you'll get one where people work together and work to see the best in each other. Once you've been raised one way though, the other way seems a weakness, so I generally don't have hope of doing anything other than preach to the choir. In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other?
- sincerely 8y ago
  >In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other? You can never control other people's behavior, only your own. Learning to deal with mean comments is a valuable skill.
  - ilovewhiskey 8y ago
    > You can never control other people's behavior This is another way to say > we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving You seem to have internalized this perspective completely.
    - mmirate 8y ago
      Post-scarcity is, at best, a distant fantasy. Ergo, sufficient resources to forgive everyone, do not exist. Ergo, it is best for any person to not expect forgiveness. It's not a perspective; it logically follows from reality.
      - ilovewhiskey 8y ago
        First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone. Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources.
        mmirate 8y ago
        > First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone. I wasn't being fully literal, either: when someone makes enough mistakes in life to deplete their private resources, they seek "forgiveness" in either handouts or in finding some new unusual opportunity to ply. It is, at worst, narrow terminology. > Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources. Such local situations are self-removing; if a good is locally in such sharp surplus as to be post-scarce, then the only logical action is to export it to somewhere else, as such post-scarcity is such an extreme condition that the price differential will certainly outweigh almost any terrestrial transit costs. (Notable exception: one disadvantage of the Soviet economy was that it sometimes required supplies be post-scarce in their own production facilities or warehouses but ultra-scarce elsewhere.)
Bendingo 8y ago
Yes, agree also. > be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally This is an essential life skill.
coffeefirst 8y ago
That would be fine. In the unlikely event I was ever the target of one I would frame it and add it to the bottom of my resume. The problem isn't that Linus is legendary in his abrasiveness. The problem is that other people (mostly young) imitate his behavior, starting with the belief that it's okay to be a jerk as long as you're right.
djsumdog 8y ago
See my other comment; if you had been the receiver you'd probably have a totally different attitude. Especially if you felt it was totally unjustified.

by tomp 8y ago

zemo 8y ago

ignoring your emotions and the emotions of others and seeing all of life as an exercise of pure rationalism is not emotional maturity, it's emotional cowardice.

merpnderp 8y ago
Parent didn’t say ignore them. I’m pretty sure they meant not be an emotional child completely incapable of surviving the slings and arrows of life. Rule your emotions instead of being ruled by them.
- zemo 8y ago
  acknowledging your emotions is not being ruled by them.
- checkyoursudo 8y ago
  Applies equally to archer and target, yes?

komali2 8y ago

> I wish people would grow thicker skins and get more emotionally mature, and be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally This is the "rock polisher" thesis of life, which I've also called the "bully thesis." I grew up swapping between different parts of America that approached "how to generate a functional adult" differentally. Some places, it was "love and care for your fellow man. Work together to make a better world." Other places it was "we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving, therefore we're gonna beat you to get you ready for it." What I've learned is that society is exactly how you make it. If you allow kids to bully and beat the shit out of each other in the playground, you're gonna get a society of Biggest Fist Wins. If you go the other direction, you'll get one where people work together and work to see the best in each other. Once you've been raised one way though, the other way seems a weakness, so I generally don't have hope of doing anything other than preach to the choir. In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other?

sincerely 8y ago
>In your example - what's the point of thicker skin if people simply don't say mean things to each other? You can never control other people's behavior, only your own. Learning to deal with mean comments is a valuable skill.
- ilovewhiskey 8y ago
  > You can never control other people's behavior This is another way to say > we believe the world is harsh and unforgiving You seem to have internalized this perspective completely.
  - mmirate 8y ago
    Post-scarcity is, at best, a distant fantasy. Ergo, sufficient resources to forgive everyone, do not exist. Ergo, it is best for any person to not expect forgiveness. It's not a perspective; it logically follows from reality.
    - ilovewhiskey 8y ago
      First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone. Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources.
      - mmirate 8y ago
        > First, you are intentionally limiting the scope of my claim. "Unforgiving" is just a synonym of "harsh", "challenging" or "adversarial", not about actual person forgiving someone. I wasn't being fully literal, either: when someone makes enough mistakes in life to deplete their private resources, they seek "forgiveness" in either handouts or in finding some new unusual opportunity to ply. It is, at worst, narrow terminology. > Second, your logical proof is wrong. The existence of resource scarcity in the global scale does not mean the global resource scarcity, some places may have enough resources. Such local situations are self-removing; if a good is locally in such sharp surplus as to be post-scarce, then the only logical action is to export it to somewhere else, as such post-scarcity is such an extreme condition that the price differential will certainly outweigh almost any terrestrial transit costs. (Notable exception: one disadvantage of the Soviet economy was that it sometimes required supplies be post-scarce in their own production facilities or warehouses but ultra-scarce elsewhere.)

Bendingo 8y ago

Yes, agree also. > be able to tolerate harsh words without taking them personally This is an essential life skill.

coffeefirst 8y ago

That would be fine. In the unlikely event I was ever the target of one I would frame it and add it to the bottom of my resume. The problem isn't that Linus is legendary in his abrasiveness. The problem is that other people (mostly young) imitate his behavior, starting with the belief that it's okay to be a jerk as long as you're right.

djsumdog 8y ago

See my other comment; if you had been the receiver you'd probably have a totally different attitude. Especially if you felt it was totally unjustified.