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Add to this the fact that, in practice, you can't really listen to high-res audio over Bluetooth. (I am aware that audio quality has gotten better over time bu

Add to this the fact that, in practice, you can't really listen to high-res audio over Bluetooth. (I am aware that audio quality has gotten better over time but you still rely on the specs of the Bluetooth chip on both sides which, in practice, usually means that you're still far away from lossless transmission.)

philjohn 8y ago
Realistically, you're already listening to audio that has been through lossy compression, and if you look at the AirPods they send the AAC bitstream over bluetooth, so what you hear out of the other end is exactly what you'd hear with a pair of headphones plugged into a jack.
- TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
  Unless you're playing FLAC files.
- tomc1985 8y ago
  The LAST thing I'd want is my mp3 data to be re-encoded as AAC. Double compression is bad, mmkay? Also, as the other comment alludes to, many people have large libraries of FLAC (or other lossless format) music, and we've invested in the hardware required to play these files back faithfully Not to mention all those old dinosaurs with CD and vinyl collections ;)
  - philjohn 8y ago
    And yet, for their common customer, their music is either purchased from iTunes, ripped through iTunes (to AAC) or streamed. It sucks, but people with huge FLAC libraries are the outliers, not the mainstream, and it's only sensible that Apple concentrate their resources on their largest market.
    - KingMob 8y ago
      Except that they created that market out of thin air. It's great for Apple to sell wireless gear, but they could have left the jack in, no problem, if it weren't a money grab.
      - philjohn 8y ago
        They could have, but it would have meant compromises in other areas of the internals. They are packing so much into a tiny space and decided haptic feedback was more important. There's the YouTube video of adding a headphone jack back into the phone, and it didn't look fun with the compromises made.
        smolder 8y ago
        And yet the phones are getting thicker since they removed the jack, as another poster pointed out. And the last iphones with the jack were not thick. My jack-having phone is not thick.
    - jrace 8y ago
      But they did not put any resources into the new product, old phones also work with wireless headphones. Instead they removed tech and touted it as "new and improved". In fact it was less-featured than the older product, nothing was improved.
    - tomc1985 8y ago
      You're right, because the physical media folks are accommodated by ripping software. I'm still bitter about Apple's garbage FLAC support but that's a battle that I don't think we're going to ever win...
      - thirdsun 8y ago
        Apple started supporting FLAC in recent macOS and iOS versions, but just on the OS-/file system-level. I think that indicates that a future iTunes revamp will come with FLAC support, at which point the iOS Music app will have to support it as well.

philjohn 8y ago

Realistically, you're already listening to audio that has been through lossy compression, and if you look at the AirPods they send the AAC bitstream over bluetooth, so what you hear out of the other end is exactly what you'd hear with a pair of headphones plugged into a jack.

TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
Unless you're playing FLAC files.
tomc1985 8y ago
The LAST thing I'd want is my mp3 data to be re-encoded as AAC. Double compression is bad, mmkay? Also, as the other comment alludes to, many people have large libraries of FLAC (or other lossless format) music, and we've invested in the hardware required to play these files back faithfully Not to mention all those old dinosaurs with CD and vinyl collections ;)
- philjohn 8y ago
  And yet, for their common customer, their music is either purchased from iTunes, ripped through iTunes (to AAC) or streamed. It sucks, but people with huge FLAC libraries are the outliers, not the mainstream, and it's only sensible that Apple concentrate their resources on their largest market.
  - KingMob 8y ago
    Except that they created that market out of thin air. It's great for Apple to sell wireless gear, but they could have left the jack in, no problem, if it weren't a money grab.
    - philjohn 8y ago
      They could have, but it would have meant compromises in other areas of the internals. They are packing so much into a tiny space and decided haptic feedback was more important. There's the YouTube video of adding a headphone jack back into the phone, and it didn't look fun with the compromises made.
      - smolder 8y ago
        And yet the phones are getting thicker since they removed the jack, as another poster pointed out. And the last iphones with the jack were not thick. My jack-having phone is not thick.
  - jrace 8y ago
    But they did not put any resources into the new product, old phones also work with wireless headphones. Instead they removed tech and touted it as "new and improved". In fact it was less-featured than the older product, nothing was improved.
  - tomc1985 8y ago
    You're right, because the physical media folks are accommodated by ripping software. I'm still bitter about Apple's garbage FLAC support but that's a battle that I don't think we're going to ever win...
    - thirdsun 8y ago
      Apple started supporting FLAC in recent macOS and iOS versions, but just on the OS-/file system-level. I think that indicates that a future iTunes revamp will come with FLAC support, at which point the iOS Music app will have to support it as well.