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I think M,I,and E (hopefully not C) could also be considered motivations for convincing someone to change jobs? (In my experience, recruiters from a well known

I think M,I,and E (hopefully not C) could also be considered motivations for convincing someone to change jobs? (In my experience, recruiters from a well known FAANG company like to lean HEAVILY on E. Jokes on them, because the right answer is M!)

AndrewKemendo 8y ago
Coercion and Ego are almost never used because they aren't reliable and are fear based. Money and Ideology are positive incentives, Coercion and Ego are generally painful incentives.
- fcuck_actuarial 8y ago
  What I had in mind by Ego was "flattery", so in a positive sense. In retrospect, ego without M is an empty, impotent argument.
  - mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    Or ego in the form of bait and switch offers of getting to have leadership responsibility or opportunity to heavily influence decision making about technical choices. Hype a position up like someone has creative autonomy to lead, because it strokes their ego, then later just shrug.
    - mcny 8y ago
      You could argue that the US military uses ego very successfully. The money isn't good all things considered but it is reliable/stable. So, I think it is a mix of M and E. Now imagine if we make universal health care and universal college education free of cost and available everywhere to everyone regardless of income. I bet military recruiters' job will become a lot harder. This makes me wonder: why can't we use ego in civil service? I'm thinking police, firefighters, and transit workers (from the bottom all the way to top management). Because after all, if we want to reduce cost (and I hope we all do) then what's better than to reduce pay?
  - dang 8y ago
    Please don't make a trollish username on HN. It's distracting, since the account basically trolls every thread it posts to. We can rename the account for you if you email a better username to hn@ycombinator.com, but I've banned this account in the meantime.
  - Buge 8y ago
    Ego without additional money could be a valid argument. A lot of engineers would leave a job where nothing gets done for an equal-paying job with a lot of impact.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  Coercion it used all the time. Castro would send his doctors abroad, getting them paid handsomely by aid agencies and he'd take the lion's share of their income, and he'd get away with it by holding the doctor's family de-facto ransom. The Chinese government is known to do this. There's a missing item: 'Duty + Guilt'. Governments will use a softer form of this coercion whilst trying to imbue a sense of national duty (I guess a kind of 'ideology') upon individuals, guilting them into 'doing the right thing for their people'. The Chinese government plays at least a small role on many Western campuses helping organize their expats, promoting their agenda etc.
  - AndrewKemendo 8y ago
    That's not Coercion in this context, it's Money. Think more along the lines of Honeypot and blackmail when you think Coercion in this sense.
    - asdf1234tx 8y ago
      It may be money for Castro, but we're talking about identifying an actor using MICE. The original poster was correct, the actor was being coerced. Don't over think it.
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AndrewKemendo 8y ago

Coercion and Ego are almost never used because they aren't reliable and are fear based. Money and Ideology are positive incentives, Coercion and Ego are generally painful incentives.

fcuck_actuarial 8y ago
What I had in mind by Ego was "flattery", so in a positive sense. In retrospect, ego without M is an empty, impotent argument.
- mlthoughts2018 8y ago
  Or ego in the form of bait and switch offers of getting to have leadership responsibility or opportunity to heavily influence decision making about technical choices. Hype a position up like someone has creative autonomy to lead, because it strokes their ego, then later just shrug.
  - mcny 8y ago
    You could argue that the US military uses ego very successfully. The money isn't good all things considered but it is reliable/stable. So, I think it is a mix of M and E. Now imagine if we make universal health care and universal college education free of cost and available everywhere to everyone regardless of income. I bet military recruiters' job will become a lot harder. This makes me wonder: why can't we use ego in civil service? I'm thinking police, firefighters, and transit workers (from the bottom all the way to top management). Because after all, if we want to reduce cost (and I hope we all do) then what's better than to reduce pay?
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't make a trollish username on HN. It's distracting, since the account basically trolls every thread it posts to. We can rename the account for you if you email a better username to hn@ycombinator.com, but I've banned this account in the meantime.
- Buge 8y ago
  Ego without additional money could be a valid argument. A lot of engineers would leave a job where nothing gets done for an equal-paying job with a lot of impact.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
Coercion it used all the time. Castro would send his doctors abroad, getting them paid handsomely by aid agencies and he'd take the lion's share of their income, and he'd get away with it by holding the doctor's family de-facto ransom. The Chinese government is known to do this. There's a missing item: 'Duty + Guilt'. Governments will use a softer form of this coercion whilst trying to imbue a sense of national duty (I guess a kind of 'ideology') upon individuals, guilting them into 'doing the right thing for their people'. The Chinese government plays at least a small role on many Western campuses helping organize their expats, promoting their agenda etc.
- AndrewKemendo 8y ago
  That's not Coercion in this context, it's Money. Think more along the lines of Honeypot and blackmail when you think Coercion in this sense.
  - asdf1234tx 8y ago
    It may be money for Castro, but we're talking about identifying an actor using MICE. The original poster was correct, the actor was being coerced. Don't over think it.

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