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> And getting rid od headphone jack takes that away. Why? You can use your wired headphones just fine...

by jonknee 8y ago

tomc1985 8y ago
With an adapter, which is what a lot of people don't want.
- mrep 8y ago
  Not to mention those adapters break constantly and you can lose them. I'm on my fourth one and have been in a few situations where I wanted to use my headphones but low and behold, I don't have the adapter with me.
- WillPostForFood 8y ago
  And they only work one way - you can use the adapter to use 3.5mm headphones with your iphone, but there is no adapter to let the iphone lightning headphones with an imac or ipad or macbook.
  - derefr 8y ago
    The lightning headphones are accepting a digital signal and have a DAC inside the cable. Even with the correct physically-wired adapter (you could create one by bridging a regular USB to Lightning adapter to the Lightning headphones, if you wanted), a computer attached to them would see a USB DAC, and would need a driver for said DAC. Until such a time as such drivers are written, for every OS, that adapter wouldn't function the way people expect it to (i.e. universally), so they don't bother making it.
    - ianai 8y ago
      You just wrote the argument for lightning being the wrong protocol for headphones.
      - derefr 8y ago
        "Not having a headphone jack" doesn't imply "Lightning connector headphones", though. Plenty of other phone manufacturers are also shipping phones without headphone jacks now. They tend to ship with earbuds that have a micro-USB or USB-C connector; which have a DAC inside; and where said DAC uses the USB audio standard. That being said, there's nothing stopping Apple from making earbuds with a Lightning connector that are USB Audio compatible as well. There's nothing about the "Lightning protocol" that makes this impossible. They just... didn't, with their current Lightning earbuds. Maybe the number of people it would benefit didn't outweigh the cost-savings of eliminating USB signalling components, or added too much audio-latency, or something.
    - inferiorhuman 8y ago
      > and would need a driver for said DAC FWIW I've got a USB DAC (an older Dragonfly) which works just fine on MacOS and FreeBSD without any custom drivers.

> And getting rid od headphone jack takes that away. Why? You can use your wired headphones just fine...

tomc1985 8y ago

With an adapter, which is what a lot of people don't want.

mrep 8y ago
Not to mention those adapters break constantly and you can lose them. I'm on my fourth one and have been in a few situations where I wanted to use my headphones but low and behold, I don't have the adapter with me.
WillPostForFood 8y ago
And they only work one way - you can use the adapter to use 3.5mm headphones with your iphone, but there is no adapter to let the iphone lightning headphones with an imac or ipad or macbook.
- derefr 8y ago
  The lightning headphones are accepting a digital signal and have a DAC inside the cable. Even with the correct physically-wired adapter (you could create one by bridging a regular USB to Lightning adapter to the Lightning headphones, if you wanted), a computer attached to them would see a USB DAC, and would need a driver for said DAC. Until such a time as such drivers are written, for every OS, that adapter wouldn't function the way people expect it to (i.e. universally), so they don't bother making it.
  - ianai 8y ago
    You just wrote the argument for lightning being the wrong protocol for headphones.
    - derefr 8y ago
      "Not having a headphone jack" doesn't imply "Lightning connector headphones", though. Plenty of other phone manufacturers are also shipping phones without headphone jacks now. They tend to ship with earbuds that have a micro-USB or USB-C connector; which have a DAC inside; and where said DAC uses the USB audio standard. That being said, there's nothing stopping Apple from making earbuds with a Lightning connector that are USB Audio compatible as well. There's nothing about the "Lightning protocol" that makes this impossible. They just... didn't, with their current Lightning earbuds. Maybe the number of people it would benefit didn't outweigh the cost-savings of eliminating USB signalling components, or added too much audio-latency, or something.
  - inferiorhuman 8y ago
    > and would need a driver for said DAC FWIW I've got a USB DAC (an older Dragonfly) which works just fine on MacOS and FreeBSD without any custom drivers.