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I am sorry but SZ is not one of world’s most livable cities. Not even close. Have you ever lived in Palo Alto? It’s insanely convenient and I don’t have to bump

I am sorry but SZ is not one of world’s most livable cities. Not even close. Have you ever lived in Palo Alto? It’s insanely convenient and I don’t have to bump into people every three feet. Almost everyone will prefer to live in the US over China at least until the communist regime fails. It is also becoming easier to live in rural America (or else where in developed countries).

snaky 8y ago
> Almost everyone will prefer to live in the US over China Look at per cent of Chinese students staying in US after graduation. It's not that big, considering the student visa to working visa is the easiest legal way into US.
- learc83 8y ago
  It's huge considering the difficulty--assuming you're talking long term and not just short term OPT. Student visa to H-1B is difficult even for a software engineers. Outside of software engineering, it's much more difficult without a PhD or a high demand masters. For the vast majority of graduates an H-1B is the only real option and there are only 85k of those given out per year total.
  - snaky 8y ago
    > Student visa to H-1B is difficult Comparing to? There is no easy legal way into US (if we consider the 'marriage to stay' not legal as we should). By the way, many other factors are there, from Chinese patriotism to cultural differences, students demographics and American colleges business on foreign students. It's understandable from American perspective to be sure US is the best place on Earth though. But reality is more complicated. > One 2016 survey of nearly 1,000 Chinese students studying at Purdue University – a large public college in rural Indiana – found that 29 per cent reported developing a more negative attitude toward the US since their arrival. > Forty-four per cent said their attitude toward China had become more positive since coming to the US. https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2131738/how-chinese-overseas-students-are-learning-harsh https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/arti...
    - learc83 8y ago
      >Comparing to? There is no easy legal way into US That's the point. There is no easy legal way to become a permanent resident. There are far more Chinese students who want to stay than can, so your evidence doesn't support your claim. > One 2016 survey of nearly 1,000 Chinese students studying at Purdue University – a large public college in rural Indiana – found that 29 per cent reported developing a more negative attitude toward the US since their arrival. And a statistically equal amount developed a more positive attitude. I'm not sure what a survey of 1000 Chinese students at a random college is supposed to prove. Students who are willing to travel to the other side of the world are more likely to hold an unrealistically optimistic view of the US before coming here, so it's expected that some percentage of them will have to reconcile fantasy with reality. > Forty-four per cent said their attitude toward China had become more positive since coming to the US. Rosy retrospection [1]. People have a tendency to judge the past more positively than the present. If you asked those students the opposite question after living back in China for several years, you'd likely get a similar result with respect to the US. >It's understandable from American perspective to be sure US is the best place on Earth though. I can think of several other places that are better in terms of quality-of-life for the average person. China isn't one of them. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection
- bitxbit 8y ago
  I believe this is more a general indication of Chinese students' inability to find acceptable jobs more than their desire to stay in the US. Even for the perceived prestige of adding a significant work experience abroad, most international students will choose to work at least a couple of years here in the states. This is of course not true if you were lucky enough to be sponsored by a gov't agency or corporation.

snaky 8y ago

> Almost everyone will prefer to live in the US over China Look at per cent of Chinese students staying in US after graduation. It's not that big, considering the student visa to working visa is the easiest legal way into US.

learc83 8y ago
It's huge considering the difficulty--assuming you're talking long term and not just short term OPT. Student visa to H-1B is difficult even for a software engineers. Outside of software engineering, it's much more difficult without a PhD or a high demand masters. For the vast majority of graduates an H-1B is the only real option and there are only 85k of those given out per year total.
- snaky 8y ago
  > Student visa to H-1B is difficult Comparing to? There is no easy legal way into US (if we consider the 'marriage to stay' not legal as we should). By the way, many other factors are there, from Chinese patriotism to cultural differences, students demographics and American colleges business on foreign students. It's understandable from American perspective to be sure US is the best place on Earth though. But reality is more complicated. > One 2016 survey of nearly 1,000 Chinese students studying at Purdue University – a large public college in rural Indiana – found that 29 per cent reported developing a more negative attitude toward the US since their arrival. > Forty-four per cent said their attitude toward China had become more positive since coming to the US. https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2131738/how-chinese-overseas-students-are-learning-harsh https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/arti...
  - learc83 8y ago
    >Comparing to? There is no easy legal way into US That's the point. There is no easy legal way to become a permanent resident. There are far more Chinese students who want to stay than can, so your evidence doesn't support your claim. > One 2016 survey of nearly 1,000 Chinese students studying at Purdue University – a large public college in rural Indiana – found that 29 per cent reported developing a more negative attitude toward the US since their arrival. And a statistically equal amount developed a more positive attitude. I'm not sure what a survey of 1000 Chinese students at a random college is supposed to prove. Students who are willing to travel to the other side of the world are more likely to hold an unrealistically optimistic view of the US before coming here, so it's expected that some percentage of them will have to reconcile fantasy with reality. > Forty-four per cent said their attitude toward China had become more positive since coming to the US. Rosy retrospection [1]. People have a tendency to judge the past more positively than the present. If you asked those students the opposite question after living back in China for several years, you'd likely get a similar result with respect to the US. >It's understandable from American perspective to be sure US is the best place on Earth though. I can think of several other places that are better in terms of quality-of-life for the average person. China isn't one of them. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection
bitxbit 8y ago
I believe this is more a general indication of Chinese students' inability to find acceptable jobs more than their desire to stay in the US. Even for the perceived prestige of adding a significant work experience abroad, most international students will choose to work at least a couple of years here in the states. This is of course not true if you were lucky enough to be sponsored by a gov't agency or corporation.