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OnePlus did a poll that got the answer 88% of customers wanted them to keep the headphone jack. Which they then got rid of anyway. Presumably the poll was hoped

OnePlus did a poll that got the answer 88% of customers wanted them to keep the headphone jack. Which they then got rid of anyway. Presumably the poll was hoped or expected to reinforce a decision already made. It's very clear consumers aren't clamouring for losing the jack. There are a lot more dollars selling wireless and they have an inherent limited life thanks to battery lifespan. The SE, with a headphone jack, is roughly the same thickness as the new XS without. They both have bluetooth for those who might like wireless. That's not Apple or whoever listening, that's them imposing.

threeseed 8y ago
Of course consumers want the headphone jack. Nobody likes having any functionality taken away. But did the poll ask them which they want: Thinner iPhone/No Headphone or Thicker iPhone/Headphone
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  The XS is 7.7mm thick, the SE 7.6mm. It's not a relevant question. Were the new generation of phones thinner than the jack I'd have to concede you may have a point, but that is not what we're getting. If the question becomes "would you like 0.2% more battery or a headphone jack?" I doubt many would vote to remove.
  - timjver 8y ago
    I doubt the difference will only be 0.2%.
    - zaroth 8y ago
      My rough calculation is that you get 165 mAh for every 1 cubic cm. A headphone jack will take approximately 1 cubic centimeter inside the case. The iPhone X battery is rated for 2716 mAh. So if you could use 100% of that volume efficiently for increasing battery volume, I think battery capacity increases approximately 6%.
  - mizaru 8y ago
    Exactly. My old iPod touch is a mere 6.1 mm thick and has a headphone jack....
- theonemind 8y ago
  You missed the option we actually got: Thicker iPhone/No headphone.
bfc1890 8y ago
One plus kept the headphone jack on their latest model https://www.oneplus.com/ie/6/specs https://www.oneplus.com/ie/6/specs
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Indeed, and having got the results of the poll, the 6T will not have. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/oneplus-ignores-its-own-user-polling-removes-headphone-jack-on-oneplus-6t/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/oneplus-ignores-its-...
makomk 8y ago
To put this in perspective, the current OnePlus 6 is 155.7x75.4x7.8mm, so adding a mere 0.1mm to the thickness increases the total volume by about 1100 mm^3. A typical headphone jack that you might find in a phone has a PCB footprint of 9x14mm, so assuming it takes up the entire thickness of the phone that's about 1000 mm^3.
- zaroth 8y ago
  That does assume near perfect efficiency for the redistributed volume. Presumably working around the physical limitations of the where the jack needs to be versus all the other components, efficiency would not be so great. But anyway who are we kidding? It’s not about making space in the device in the end. Perhaps that’s the straw that broke the camels back, but not what set Apple off in this direction to begin with.

threeseed 8y ago

Of course consumers want the headphone jack. Nobody likes having any functionality taken away. But did the poll ask them which they want: Thinner iPhone/No Headphone or Thicker iPhone/Headphone

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
The XS is 7.7mm thick, the SE 7.6mm. It's not a relevant question. Were the new generation of phones thinner than the jack I'd have to concede you may have a point, but that is not what we're getting. If the question becomes "would you like 0.2% more battery or a headphone jack?" I doubt many would vote to remove.
- timjver 8y ago
  I doubt the difference will only be 0.2%.
  - zaroth 8y ago
    My rough calculation is that you get 165 mAh for every 1 cubic cm. A headphone jack will take approximately 1 cubic centimeter inside the case. The iPhone X battery is rated for 2716 mAh. So if you could use 100% of that volume efficiently for increasing battery volume, I think battery capacity increases approximately 6%.
- mizaru 8y ago
  Exactly. My old iPod touch is a mere 6.1 mm thick and has a headphone jack....
theonemind 8y ago
You missed the option we actually got: Thicker iPhone/No headphone.

bfc1890 8y ago

One plus kept the headphone jack on their latest model https://www.oneplus.com/ie/6/specs https://www.oneplus.com/ie/6/specs

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Indeed, and having got the results of the poll, the 6T will not have. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/oneplus-ignores-its-own-user-polling-removes-headphone-jack-on-oneplus-6t/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/oneplus-ignores-its-...

makomk 8y ago

To put this in perspective, the current OnePlus 6 is 155.7x75.4x7.8mm, so adding a mere 0.1mm to the thickness increases the total volume by about 1100 mm^3. A typical headphone jack that you might find in a phone has a PCB footprint of 9x14mm, so assuming it takes up the entire thickness of the phone that's about 1000 mm^3.

zaroth 8y ago
That does assume near perfect efficiency for the redistributed volume. Presumably working around the physical limitations of the where the jack needs to be versus all the other components, efficiency would not be so great. But anyway who are we kidding? It’s not about making space in the device in the end. Perhaps that’s the straw that broke the camels back, but not what set Apple off in this direction to begin with.