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> Meanwhile in the developed world: TGV takes 2 hours from Lyon to Paris, google maps claims a car takes 4 hours. Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0]

> Meanwhile in the developed world: TGV takes 2 hours from Lyon to Paris, google maps claims a car takes 4 hours. Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0] after the nice TGV trip from Paris[0] and welcome to connection hell. [0] Or any other TGV connected cities.

azernik 8y ago
The central train station sits right on top of a metro station, a tram line (for longer-distance), and several bus lines. "Connection hell" is not how I would describe the process of switching from one to the other in European city centers.
Tpt 8y ago
> Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0] after the nice TGV trip from Paris[0] and welcome to connection hell. Public transportations are often quite good in European cities. When I was in college, it tooked me sligtly more than 3 hours door to door to go from my parents home in a Paris suburb to my University dorm in Lyon. It's not so bad for a trip of nearly 450km.
Doctor_Fegg 8y ago
Really? We got the TER from Lyon to Saint Etienne last year, connecting out of a TGV. It was fine, and more reliable than the jam-prone parallel road.
kken 8y ago
What is the problem? Lyon has a fully developed system of trams and subways. It's directly connected to the TGV train station. http://www.tcl.fr/var/tcl/storage/original/application/b8cb650a73f20cb493200ae0f144d347 http://www.tcl.fr/var/tcl/storage/original/application/b8cb6...
yardie 8y ago
What about? I’ve made the trip many times. There was nothing hellish about it. Same for Sens, Lille, Montpellier, and Nice.
johnchristopher 8y ago
People, french people. I love traveling by train, especially in quiet high speed ones such as TGV, Thalys or ICE. However half the year I am regularly traveling through France for work from one city to another. I love the train, I enjoy it much better than air travel but the time and the stress lost due to running around with a carriage trying to decipher the connections that's going to take me to the tech zoning is... well stressful and time consuming. I stand by my point: train station to train station is nice but door-to-door ? That's a much less smoother ride.

azernik 8y ago

The central train station sits right on top of a metro station, a tram line (for longer-distance), and several bus lines. "Connection hell" is not how I would describe the process of switching from one to the other in European city centers.

Tpt 8y ago

> Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0] after the nice TGV trip from Paris[0] and welcome to connection hell. Public transportations are often quite good in European cities. When I was in college, it tooked me sligtly more than 3 hours door to door to go from my parents home in a Paris suburb to my University dorm in Lyon. It's not so bad for a trip of nearly 450km.

Doctor_Fegg 8y ago

Really? We got the TER from Lyon to Saint Etienne last year, connecting out of a TGV. It was fine, and more reliable than the jam-prone parallel road.

kken 8y ago

What is the problem? Lyon has a fully developed system of trams and subways. It's directly connected to the TGV train station. http://www.tcl.fr/var/tcl/storage/original/application/b8cb650a73f20cb493200ae0f144d347 http://www.tcl.fr/var/tcl/storage/original/application/b8cb6...

yardie 8y ago

What about? I’ve made the trip many times. There was nothing hellish about it. Same for Sens, Lille, Montpellier, and Nice.

johnchristopher 8y ago

People, french people. I love traveling by train, especially in quiet high speed ones such as TGV, Thalys or ICE. However half the year I am regularly traveling through France for work from one city to another. I love the train, I enjoy it much better than air travel but the time and the stress lost due to running around with a carriage trying to decipher the connections that's going to take me to the tech zoning is... well stressful and time consuming. I stand by my point: train station to train station is nice but door-to-door ? That's a much less smoother ride.