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If it truely was a problem, the peering agreements would not be for peanuts. I paying my ISP for a connection to a peering point, why should they be able to ch

If it truely was a problem, the peering agreements would not be for peanuts. I paying my ISP for a connection to a peering point, why should they be able to charge Amazon or Netflix different rates than Steam or Dropbox for the same total number of bytes transfered? I’ve already paid my ISP for both up and down transit to the peering point. The service provider (Netflix, Amazon, Steam, etc) also pay someone for a connection to a peering point (or undergo that expense directly), so again, why should they have to pay my ISP for traffic that is already paid for by me and them? I distinctly see the lack of a free ride anywhere in the system as it currently stands. I pay my ISP for a 1 gbit connection to a peering point, I buy a 100mbit 8k HD video stream from a streaming service who is paying someone for transit from their datacenter to the peering point. Both sides pay the peering point mainenance fees. Where in this is someone getting a free ride?

betaby 8y ago
"I pay my ISP for a 1 gbit connection to a peering point" there are two problems with that. Try to order last mile to peeing point to know the prise. Second one what to do if network is not on your local peering pint. Let's say you are watching Italian parliament live stream from USA. Should eyeballs carry all the cost for transatlantic infra or should Italian broadcaster pay for transatlantic traffic?
- extrapickles 8y ago
  Without the service provided by my ISP, I would have to pay ~$240/mo to get a 10 gbit port at the nearest exchange/peering point (seattleix), then rent part of some dark fiber that goes out to near where I am ($2-10k/mo depending on details), then sell internet to 199 of my neighbors (using standard 20x oversubscription rate) at $80/gbit. Even if getting the fiber to near me cost $10k/mo and ~$1k/mo to attach my cables to all of the telephone poles in the neighborhood, it leaves me ~$5k in 'profit' (would come out as a wash after all of the other business expenses, drawing a salary and paying back initial capitial). I would make more money if I offered 100mbit plans for $60/mo and/or increased the contention ratio. For the second case, the streaming service buys transit from a Tier 1 backbone provider[0]. In order to be Tier 1 you have to have connectivity to all of the major peering points on the internet. If I wanted really nice internet (eg: for gaming), I would buy transit from one or more Tier 1 providers. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

betaby 8y ago

"I pay my ISP for a 1 gbit connection to a peering point" there are two problems with that. Try to order last mile to peeing point to know the prise. Second one what to do if network is not on your local peering pint. Let's say you are watching Italian parliament live stream from USA. Should eyeballs carry all the cost for transatlantic infra or should Italian broadcaster pay for transatlantic traffic?

extrapickles 8y ago
Without the service provided by my ISP, I would have to pay ~$240/mo to get a 10 gbit port at the nearest exchange/peering point (seattleix), then rent part of some dark fiber that goes out to near where I am ($2-10k/mo depending on details), then sell internet to 199 of my neighbors (using standard 20x oversubscription rate) at $80/gbit. Even if getting the fiber to near me cost $10k/mo and ~$1k/mo to attach my cables to all of the telephone poles in the neighborhood, it leaves me ~$5k in 'profit' (would come out as a wash after all of the other business expenses, drawing a salary and paying back initial capitial). I would make more money if I offered 100mbit plans for $60/mo and/or increased the contention ratio. For the second case, the streaming service buys transit from a Tier 1 backbone provider[0]. In order to be Tier 1 you have to have connectivity to all of the major peering points on the internet. If I wanted really nice internet (eg: for gaming), I would buy transit from one or more Tier 1 providers. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network