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> So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue

> So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue with your server could it? "Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. Anecdotally using the same server with a Windows Phone and Android Phone causes no issues at all. Sooo maaaybe it's not the server? > years stapeling Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote? > If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices... Sure there are. You can take the google brands, motorola or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities....

scarface74 8y ago
Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. What are the Google results of issues. “Everyone you know” is anecdotal.... Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote? Well first, seeing that both Apple and Google have released major updates every year since they have developed mobile phone OSs. It’s not too hard to figure out. Sure there are. You can take the google brands,Motorola No Google brands have usually had updates for two years tops. or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. See how well that works in practice.... Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities.... Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value, you still don’t come out ahead by buying a phone every two years. Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  > What are the Google results of issues. “Everyone you know” is anecdotal.... Good you cut "and work with" and the part with the other OS out otherwise this discussion might get serious and we don't want that do we? See, that is another issue. I've been asking around on boards for how to solve the issue since it's so annoying. Either I got no answer or it was something along your lines "It must be your fault because Apple wouldn't make such a mistake". Meanwhile having an issue on Android means that you either already find the solution or you post on one of the dev boards where people are eager to find a solution. Or you just use another app because there is no obnoxious system mail app in it's ridiculous locked in environment. Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-fuer-iPhone-5s-vorgesehen-4028512.html https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-... > See how well that works in practice.... It works out fantastic I did that on every phone I had and have been doing it for friends and family. > Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value, Well as you are reselling already to an audience that is used to overpaying, it doesn't say anything about the actual value. Besides that, if you end up with one of the non supported ones, there is no way to put a different OS on it or is it? > Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier. No idea where you're from but over here in Europe carriers still give you phones and the phone market is not dead or something like that. People buy new phones and even if they wouldn't, it wouldn't change anything about the argument I brought up.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    See, that is another issue. I've been asking around on boards for how to solve the issue since it's so annoying. Asking What around on boards? What’s the issue? Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-.. https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-.... Posting a German website on an English speaking forum doesn’t help too mUCB.
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      So now that you even dropped that selective quoting you stopped refusing to accept that there MIGHT be an issue (even though it's supported since 2009!), you are interested what the actual issue is? Seriously? Try looking up. I've explained it where I had hope for some reasonable answers and please spare me your further opinions. This is not how communication works. eod PS. since you seem unable to work with google: https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT
      - scarface74 8y ago
        And you still haven’t said what the issues are. If you are having random issues with built in Mail client, are you having those same issues with the Outlook app for iOS?
newscracker 8y ago
While I don't deny that your problem with Exchange is a pain exacerbated by some restrictions in iOS (like default mail app is the one Apple provides), you have totally and utterly failed to provide anything on the updates part while scarface74 provided facts on that very point that can be verified independently. "I don't know. There are too many" and "Sure there are" aren't answers that can be fact checked and verified. This sounds dubious for someone who claims not to use biometrics for unlocking (which, I agree, is a better security practice than using biometrics). Perhaps you always keep flashing your device with some random OS fork or build and that hasn't allowed you to observe what others who aren't as savvy as you have to put up with (I get that you could use this exact sentence back in pointing out what you see as deficiencies in iOS, but let's not move the goal posts).
- Krasnol 8y ago
  Are you his second account because I can't believe what you write here. The guy started out writing like there COULDN'T be a problem because it's iOS and it supports exchange since 2009! This was no discussion at all. It was pure Apple fanboy gate keeping, insults, selective quoting and completely unrelated topics. Only in his latest comment he's suddenly interested in the problem itself. As I have written him, I detailed the problem up there where the question looked like somebody is seriously interested in it and not in gate keeping: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17994803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17994803
  - scarface74 8y ago
    So you really think I have one account that’s been posting since 2013 and another account that’s been posting since 2015 and that they have both been posting prolifically just to have someone agree with me? But as far as the issue. Did you reach out to Microsoft? Did you download the Outlook app for iOS? Or would you rather just complain?
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      Wow, you seem just like another friendly and helpful Apple Fan. Of course I love to complain! Thanks for your unique input and no I don't seriously think your are his second account, I wrote that to emphasise my argument that followed this and which you left out. EOD... Note to myself: never mention Apple again on hn Edit: wow ninja-downvote within 1 minute! Have you been reloading your comment page for the last hour? Oh I see...it's the other guy again...no surprise there.

scarface74 8y ago

Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. What are the Google results of issues. “Everyone you know” is anecdotal.... Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote? Well first, seeing that both Apple and Google have released major updates every year since they have developed mobile phone OSs. It’s not too hard to figure out. Sure there are. You can take the google brands,Motorola No Google brands have usually had updates for two years tops. or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. See how well that works in practice.... Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities.... Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value, you still don’t come out ahead by buying a phone every two years. Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier.

Krasnol 8y ago
> What are the Google results of issues. “Everyone you know” is anecdotal.... Good you cut "and work with" and the part with the other OS out otherwise this discussion might get serious and we don't want that do we? See, that is another issue. I've been asking around on boards for how to solve the issue since it's so annoying. Either I got no answer or it was something along your lines "It must be your fault because Apple wouldn't make such a mistake". Meanwhile having an issue on Android means that you either already find the solution or you post on one of the dev boards where people are eager to find a solution. Or you just use another app because there is no obnoxious system mail app in it's ridiculous locked in environment. Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-fuer-iPhone-5s-vorgesehen-4028512.html https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-... > See how well that works in practice.... It works out fantastic I did that on every phone I had and have been doing it for friends and family. > Since an iPhone actually maintains somewhat of a resale value, Well as you are reselling already to an audience that is used to overpaying, it doesn't say anything about the actual value. Besides that, if you end up with one of the non supported ones, there is no way to put a different OS on it or is it? > Consumers are holding on to phones longer now that they aren’t being subsidized by the carrier. No idea where you're from but over here in Europe carriers still give you phones and the phone market is not dead or something like that. People buy new phones and even if they wouldn't, it wouldn't change anything about the argument I brought up.
- scarface74 8y ago
  See, that is another issue. I've been asking around on boards for how to solve the issue since it's so annoying. Asking What around on boards? What’s the issue? Android 3&4 have been released 2011 so this doesn't add up here too. But the whole thing here is ridiculous for reasons stated below. I got that initial statement from this IT magazine: https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-.. https://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldung/iOS-12-offenbar-auch-.... Posting a German website on an English speaking forum doesn’t help too mUCB.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    So now that you even dropped that selective quoting you stopped refusing to accept that there MIGHT be an issue (even though it's supported since 2009!), you are interested what the actual issue is? Seriously? Try looking up. I've explained it where I had hope for some reasonable answers and please spare me your further opinions. This is not how communication works. eod PS. since you seem unable to work with google: https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT
    - scarface74 8y ago
      And you still haven’t said what the issues are. If you are having random issues with built in Mail client, are you having those same issues with the Outlook app for iOS?

newscracker 8y ago

While I don't deny that your problem with Exchange is a pain exacerbated by some restrictions in iOS (like default mail app is the one Apple provides), you have totally and utterly failed to provide anything on the updates part while scarface74 provided facts on that very point that can be verified independently. "I don't know. There are too many" and "Sure there are" aren't answers that can be fact checked and verified. This sounds dubious for someone who claims not to use biometrics for unlocking (which, I agree, is a better security practice than using biometrics). Perhaps you always keep flashing your device with some random OS fork or build and that hasn't allowed you to observe what others who aren't as savvy as you have to put up with (I get that you could use this exact sentence back in pointing out what you see as deficiencies in iOS, but let's not move the goal posts).

Krasnol 8y ago
Are you his second account because I can't believe what you write here. The guy started out writing like there COULDN'T be a problem because it's iOS and it supports exchange since 2009! This was no discussion at all. It was pure Apple fanboy gate keeping, insults, selective quoting and completely unrelated topics. Only in his latest comment he's suddenly interested in the problem itself. As I have written him, I detailed the problem up there where the question looked like somebody is seriously interested in it and not in gate keeping: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17994803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17994803
- scarface74 8y ago
  So you really think I have one account that’s been posting since 2013 and another account that’s been posting since 2015 and that they have both been posting prolifically just to have someone agree with me? But as far as the issue. Did you reach out to Microsoft? Did you download the Outlook app for iOS? Or would you rather just complain?
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    Wow, you seem just like another friendly and helpful Apple Fan. Of course I love to complain! Thanks for your unique input and no I don't seriously think your are his second account, I wrote that to emphasise my argument that followed this and which you left out. EOD... Note to myself: never mention Apple again on hn Edit: wow ninja-downvote within 1 minute! Have you been reloading your comment page for the last hour? Oh I see...it's the other guy again...no surprise there.