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I’m deeply frustrated on reading this, but not shocked really. It seems like people are being numbed into helplessness and powerlessness while they’re still ign

I’m deeply frustrated on reading this, but not shocked really. It seems like people are being numbed into helplessness and powerlessness while they’re still ignorant and unaware. By the time many people realize how bad the privacy situation is and the impact it could have, resignation to the status quo may be the only choice — corporations and governments collecting and using data in ways people consider grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity and freedom — would be “too big and too rigid to change”. I fear the worst is yet to come, and people’s neglect of these issues (for whatever reason) is going to be an irreversible crime against future generations (like climate change). How dare we consent to these or accept these or let these be?

rasengan 8y ago
You hit the nail on the head. The method they are using is take advantage of the size and complexity of our society -- if they make subtle changes in small silos within our society, we will fail to notice as very few people watch the world at such a macro-level. > people's neglect of these issues SJ Res 34 was a prime example -- most major social mediums attempted to censor it among other things from the general society. Now, ISPs are allowed to harvest and sell your data to the highest bidder. Terrible. How can we fix this? 1. Vote for the right people. 2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. 3. Stop using things like youtube etc. This gives WAY TOO MUCH narrative power to the overlords running those sites (and their overlords who control them -- do you seriously think the Alex Jones thing was a bunch of unique, coincidental decisions to ban Alex Jones independent of what any other site will do given that they all cut him collectively, at the same time? I'm not in any way saying his rhetoric is good or not -- but he was censored, and his free speech was blocked). 4. Understand that the constitution was a draft of laws from a long time ago and our overall makeup/structure of society has changed -- we really need to make new laws to keep society safe, secure and prosperous.
- newscracker 8y ago
  > How can we fix this? > 1. Vote for the right people. > 2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. I believe a prerequisite for these is more awareness among the people who vote. The ones in power don’t seem to care. The ones who care about privacy are not numerous enough (depends on the country) to vote the right people into power or get any traction on legislation and enforcement of laws. I still feel that the Edward Snowden revelations didn’t achieve much at all in terms of real and long lasting change (perhaps my expectations are too high). At the same time, I don’t mean to imply that we’re not seeing more awareness and concern from the masses. We need this to be accelerated and for the masses to be energized to take action. Lots of work to do still!
- spking 8y ago
  Which specific parts of the Constitution would you change?
  - snaky 8y ago
    Rewrite it to something like that, I suppose. > The constitution repealed restrictions on voting and added universal direct suffrage and the right to work to rights guaranteed by the previous constitution. In addition, the constitution recognized collective social and economic rights including the rights to work, rest and leisure, health protection, care in old age and sickness, housing, education and cultural benefits.
- bitmapbrother 8y ago
  >1. Vote for the right people. Who will continue to authorize the mass surveillance and collection of their citizens data, in both public and black op programs, in huge data centers payed for by their citizens. >2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. Unless that letter contains a large political contribution you can bet your response, if you even get one, will be of the boilerplate variety.
snaky 8y ago
People are very adaptable and will consider all that data collection less and less 'grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity'. XIX century Americans would consider an income tax in a peacetime 'grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity' after all.

rasengan 8y ago

You hit the nail on the head. The method they are using is take advantage of the size and complexity of our society -- if they make subtle changes in small silos within our society, we will fail to notice as very few people watch the world at such a macro-level. > people's neglect of these issues SJ Res 34 was a prime example -- most major social mediums attempted to censor it among other things from the general society. Now, ISPs are allowed to harvest and sell your data to the highest bidder. Terrible. How can we fix this? 1. Vote for the right people. 2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. 3. Stop using things like youtube etc. This gives WAY TOO MUCH narrative power to the overlords running those sites (and their overlords who control them -- do you seriously think the Alex Jones thing was a bunch of unique, coincidental decisions to ban Alex Jones independent of what any other site will do given that they all cut him collectively, at the same time? I'm not in any way saying his rhetoric is good or not -- but he was censored, and his free speech was blocked). 4. Understand that the constitution was a draft of laws from a long time ago and our overall makeup/structure of society has changed -- we really need to make new laws to keep society safe, secure and prosperous.

newscracker 8y ago
> How can we fix this? > 1. Vote for the right people. > 2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. I believe a prerequisite for these is more awareness among the people who vote. The ones in power don’t seem to care. The ones who care about privacy are not numerous enough (depends on the country) to vote the right people into power or get any traction on legislation and enforcement of laws. I still feel that the Edward Snowden revelations didn’t achieve much at all in terms of real and long lasting change (perhaps my expectations are too high). At the same time, I don’t mean to imply that we’re not seeing more awareness and concern from the masses. We need this to be accelerated and for the masses to be energized to take action. Lots of work to do still!
spking 8y ago
Which specific parts of the Constitution would you change?
- snaky 8y ago
  Rewrite it to something like that, I suppose. > The constitution repealed restrictions on voting and added universal direct suffrage and the right to work to rights guaranteed by the previous constitution. In addition, the constitution recognized collective social and economic rights including the rights to work, rest and leisure, health protection, care in old age and sickness, housing, education and cultural benefits.
bitmapbrother 8y ago
>1. Vote for the right people. Who will continue to authorize the mass surveillance and collection of their citizens data, in both public and black op programs, in huge data centers payed for by their citizens. >2. Write them letters (not emails) telling them how much they suck if they don't do things for the benefit of people. Unless that letter contains a large political contribution you can bet your response, if you even get one, will be of the boilerplate variety.

snaky 8y ago

People are very adaptable and will consider all that data collection less and less 'grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity'. XIX century Americans would consider an income tax in a peacetime 'grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity' after all.