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I’m an iPhone user, my wife swears on Android. But usually, I set up her phone. The amount of BS Android asks you to consent plus the privacy-neglecting default

by WA 8y ago

I’m an iPhone user, my wife swears on Android. But usually, I set up her phone. The amount of BS Android asks you to consent plus the privacy-neglecting default options are reasons enough. In addition, in my opinion everything on Android and the devices feels half-baked. Fingerprint sensor? Easy to fool. Face ID thing? Can be fooled with a photo. Sure, the devices cost half of an iPhone, but feature-wise they’re often not as carefully designed.

shaklee3 8y ago
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled-by-mask/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled...
- heartbreak 8y ago
  Wow is that a textured 3D mask of the target's face complete with 2D infrared images of their eyes?! If that what it takes to fool Apple's face scan I'm seriously impressed. > it's worth noting that fooling Face ID in this way requires a 3D printer, several hundred dollars worth of materials, physical access to a person's iPhone X, and detailed facial photographs that can be used to reconstruct a person's face. Even then, if the 3D printed mask and the design of the infrared eyes aren't perfect, Face ID will fail after five attempts.
  - shaklee3 8y ago
    I'll let you Google yourself. Other stories include family members unlocking the phones using their face as well. Neither is infallible.
Krasnol 8y ago
Besides the fact that you shouldn't use your fingerprint as an password and that the face ID has been tricked already, I'm not sure what exactly your issue with privacy consent is. You can set the privacy settings individually and if you don't like what an app wants from you, there are always a lot of alternatives and most of them are free. There are also alternative stores like F-Droid. Maybe you should play around with it a little bit more to learn about the possibilities. They excel those of the Iphone by far.
- kossae 8y ago
  One of the primary reasons I switched to the iPhone years ago was exactly what you’re describing. I don’t want to have to configure settings on a micro level per-app. I want sane defaults that respect my privacy at the app level, all the way down to the OS layer. Paired with the Play Store with a much lower barrier to app acceptance, this has proven to be a danger to peoples’ privacy if they aren’t vigilant to vet and check settings of each new app they install. That being just privacy, I was also tired of micromanaging every setting on my phone. I don’t care to have custom UI widgets, root-level modifications, or especially installing a completely new OS. I know as a software developer these things should be more acceptable, or fun even, but my phone is such a critical piece of my day-to-day, I’d rather pay a premium (to a degree.. looking at you XS Max) for the peace of mind that everything will Just Work every time. I’ve yet to have any real problems with any iPhone I’ve owned.. Android was a different story.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    You could have just installed F-Droid and use the apps from there...I mean, I don't see how "taking away features" is a reason FOR a product. I understand that critical aspect but being faced with an IPhone that is unable to sync mails from the exchange server for several OS versions already is what I'd consider a critical issue and problem. I never had anything like that with the Android or other relevant "not working" issues. I have no idea what people do with their phones to really "break" it. Edit: I still wonder how people who intentionally switched away from Android take the missing back-button and the continues search for the function within the apps. It's either right or left, called differently every time. Sometimes it's not even there...
    - throwawaymath 8y ago
      > I understand that critical aspect but being faced with an IPhone that is unable to sync mails from the exchange server for several OS versions already is what I'd consider a critical issue and problem. Can you clarify this a bit? I don't really understand the problem - I have an Exchange server synced on my iPhone and there are no problems.

by WA 8y ago

shaklee3 8y ago

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled-by-mask/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled...

heartbreak 8y ago
Wow is that a textured 3D mask of the target's face complete with 2D infrared images of their eyes?! If that what it takes to fool Apple's face scan I'm seriously impressed. > it's worth noting that fooling Face ID in this way requires a 3D printer, several hundred dollars worth of materials, physical access to a person's iPhone X, and detailed facial photographs that can be used to reconstruct a person's face. Even then, if the 3D printed mask and the design of the infrared eyes aren't perfect, Face ID will fail after five attempts.
- shaklee3 8y ago
  I'll let you Google yourself. Other stories include family members unlocking the phones using their face as well. Neither is infallible.

Krasnol 8y ago

Besides the fact that you shouldn't use your fingerprint as an password and that the face ID has been tricked already, I'm not sure what exactly your issue with privacy consent is. You can set the privacy settings individually and if you don't like what an app wants from you, there are always a lot of alternatives and most of them are free. There are also alternative stores like F-Droid. Maybe you should play around with it a little bit more to learn about the possibilities. They excel those of the Iphone by far.

kossae 8y ago
One of the primary reasons I switched to the iPhone years ago was exactly what you’re describing. I don’t want to have to configure settings on a micro level per-app. I want sane defaults that respect my privacy at the app level, all the way down to the OS layer. Paired with the Play Store with a much lower barrier to app acceptance, this has proven to be a danger to peoples’ privacy if they aren’t vigilant to vet and check settings of each new app they install. That being just privacy, I was also tired of micromanaging every setting on my phone. I don’t care to have custom UI widgets, root-level modifications, or especially installing a completely new OS. I know as a software developer these things should be more acceptable, or fun even, but my phone is such a critical piece of my day-to-day, I’d rather pay a premium (to a degree.. looking at you XS Max) for the peace of mind that everything will Just Work every time. I’ve yet to have any real problems with any iPhone I’ve owned.. Android was a different story.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  You could have just installed F-Droid and use the apps from there...I mean, I don't see how "taking away features" is a reason FOR a product. I understand that critical aspect but being faced with an IPhone that is unable to sync mails from the exchange server for several OS versions already is what I'd consider a critical issue and problem. I never had anything like that with the Android or other relevant "not working" issues. I have no idea what people do with their phones to really "break" it. Edit: I still wonder how people who intentionally switched away from Android take the missing back-button and the continues search for the function within the apps. It's either right or left, called differently every time. Sometimes it's not even there...
  - throwawaymath 8y ago
    > I understand that critical aspect but being faced with an IPhone that is unable to sync mails from the exchange server for several OS versions already is what I'd consider a critical issue and problem. Can you clarify this a bit? I don't really understand the problem - I have an Exchange server synced on my iPhone and there are no problems.