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Could you elaborate on why you don't see compelling reasons to switch to Android? Seen from the other side and having to use an IPhone for work, I don't see com

Could you elaborate on why you don't see compelling reasons to switch to Android? Seen from the other side and having to use an IPhone for work, I don't see compelling reasons to spend so much money for an Iphone. Especially considering that not even the basic features like collecting mails from an exchange server doesn't work properly...

quantummkv 8y ago
Mostly because any android phone worth buying (apart for from Nokia or Samsung) is basically an iPhone X clone, notch and all, without the ecosystem and software support provided by Apple to ensure that the notch works. Any sort of software support for the notch landed in Android 9. How many phones with the notch have that version? Absolutely zero. And unlike iPhone, no Android phone has any justifiable reason for the notch.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  > any android phone worth buying Seriously...? > without the ecosystem and software support provided by Apple to ensure that the notch works Well don't know about the "notch" but the immense ecosystem around Android is so far beyond what Apple has that I wouldn't even know where to start. The stupidity of some manufactures to copy that design failure is a different topic but it's defiantly nothing to be proud of. Neither on the Android nor on the Apple side. Mine doesn't have one and I wouldn't buy one because it's just ridiculous...
  - quantummkv 8y ago
    > Seriously...? Yeah. Apart from nokia 8/7 and samsung note9 and s9, every current and upcoming phone (oneplus, pixel, huawei, xaomi, etc.) have the notch. > Mine doesn't have one and I wouldn't buy one because it's just ridiculous Manufacturers won't give you an option in the future and the android software support will be flaky at best. Atleast Apple tries to ensure that you have the best possible experience with its design choices. No one in the android ecosystem gives a damn about your experience.
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      > Yeah. Apart from nokia 8/7 and samsung note9 and s9, every current and upcoming phone (oneplus, pixel, huawei, xaomi, etc.) have the notch. I was questioning the quoted statement. > Manufacturers won't give you an option in the future I'm not sure if you really believe that or if you have no idea how big the Android market is. Adding to your exemptions list there is also LG (just one has it), Pixel of course and there is just one Motorola who has it. And those are the brands that came into my mind. I don't even go into the endless others out there on this planet. It looks like a list with models who have it would have been shorter. I like how you dropped everything else.
WA 8y ago
I’m an iPhone user, my wife swears on Android. But usually, I set up her phone. The amount of BS Android asks you to consent plus the privacy-neglecting default options are reasons enough. In addition, in my opinion everything on Android and the devices feels half-baked. Fingerprint sensor? Easy to fool. Face ID thing? Can be fooled with a photo. Sure, the devices cost half of an iPhone, but feature-wise they’re often not as carefully designed.
- shaklee3 8y ago
  https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled-by-mask/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled...
  - heartbreak 8y ago
    Wow is that a textured 3D mask of the target's face complete with 2D infrared images of their eyes?! If that what it takes to fool Apple's face scan I'm seriously impressed. > it's worth noting that fooling Face ID in this way requires a 3D printer, several hundred dollars worth of materials, physical access to a person's iPhone X, and detailed facial photographs that can be used to reconstruct a person's face. Even then, if the 3D printed mask and the design of the infrared eyes aren't perfect, Face ID will fail after five attempts.
    - shaklee3 8y ago
      I'll let you Google yourself. Other stories include family members unlocking the phones using their face as well. Neither is infallible.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  Besides the fact that you shouldn't use your fingerprint as an password and that the face ID has been tricked already, I'm not sure what exactly your issue with privacy consent is. You can set the privacy settings individually and if you don't like what an app wants from you, there are always a lot of alternatives and most of them are free. There are also alternative stores like F-Droid. Maybe you should play around with it a little bit more to learn about the possibilities. They excel those of the Iphone by far.
scarface74 8y ago
iOS has worked with Exchange servers since 2009-2010. But a reason to have an iPhone? If you bought an iPhone 5S when it was released in September 2012, and you still own it, you can download iOS 12 next week. How many Android phones from even two years ago are still getting OS updates?
- Krasnol 8y ago
  > iOS has worked with Exchange servers since 2009-2010. Well, obviously not or I wouldn't have problems... > If you bought an iPhone 5S when it was released in September 2012, and you still own it, you can download iOS 12 next week. Which would be the first one to get five updates. Everything before that, didn't. > How many Android phones from even two years ago are still getting OS updates? I don't know. There are too many. You know, that thing with having a choice and so on.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Well, obviously not or I wouldn't have problems... So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue with your server could it? Which would be the first one to get five updates. Everything before that, didn't. (correction the 5s was released in 2013) iPhone 5 - released in 2012, last update July 2017 iPhone 4s - released on September 2011 - last update August 2016. iPhone 4 - released on June 2010 - Last update June 2014 iPhone 3GS - released June 2009 - last update Feb 2014 I don't know. There are too many. You know, that thing with having a choice and so on. If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices...
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      > So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue with your server could it? "Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. Anecdotally using the same server with a Windows Phone and Android Phone causes no issues at all. Sooo maaaybe it's not the server? > years stapeling Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote? > If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices... Sure there are. You can take the google brands, motorola or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities....

quantummkv 8y ago

Mostly because any android phone worth buying (apart for from Nokia or Samsung) is basically an iPhone X clone, notch and all, without the ecosystem and software support provided by Apple to ensure that the notch works. Any sort of software support for the notch landed in Android 9. How many phones with the notch have that version? Absolutely zero. And unlike iPhone, no Android phone has any justifiable reason for the notch.

Krasnol 8y ago
> any android phone worth buying Seriously...? > without the ecosystem and software support provided by Apple to ensure that the notch works Well don't know about the "notch" but the immense ecosystem around Android is so far beyond what Apple has that I wouldn't even know where to start. The stupidity of some manufactures to copy that design failure is a different topic but it's defiantly nothing to be proud of. Neither on the Android nor on the Apple side. Mine doesn't have one and I wouldn't buy one because it's just ridiculous...
- quantummkv 8y ago
  > Seriously...? Yeah. Apart from nokia 8/7 and samsung note9 and s9, every current and upcoming phone (oneplus, pixel, huawei, xaomi, etc.) have the notch. > Mine doesn't have one and I wouldn't buy one because it's just ridiculous Manufacturers won't give you an option in the future and the android software support will be flaky at best. Atleast Apple tries to ensure that you have the best possible experience with its design choices. No one in the android ecosystem gives a damn about your experience.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    > Yeah. Apart from nokia 8/7 and samsung note9 and s9, every current and upcoming phone (oneplus, pixel, huawei, xaomi, etc.) have the notch. I was questioning the quoted statement. > Manufacturers won't give you an option in the future I'm not sure if you really believe that or if you have no idea how big the Android market is. Adding to your exemptions list there is also LG (just one has it), Pixel of course and there is just one Motorola who has it. And those are the brands that came into my mind. I don't even go into the endless others out there on this planet. It looks like a list with models who have it would have been shorter. I like how you dropped everything else.

WA 8y ago

I’m an iPhone user, my wife swears on Android. But usually, I set up her phone. The amount of BS Android asks you to consent plus the privacy-neglecting default options are reasons enough. In addition, in my opinion everything on Android and the devices feels half-baked. Fingerprint sensor? Easy to fool. Face ID thing? Can be fooled with a photo. Sure, the devices cost half of an iPhone, but feature-wise they’re often not as carefully designed.

shaklee3 8y ago
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled-by-mask/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled...
- heartbreak 8y ago
  Wow is that a textured 3D mask of the target's face complete with 2D infrared images of their eyes?! If that what it takes to fool Apple's face scan I'm seriously impressed. > it's worth noting that fooling Face ID in this way requires a 3D printer, several hundred dollars worth of materials, physical access to a person's iPhone X, and detailed facial photographs that can be used to reconstruct a person's face. Even then, if the 3D printed mask and the design of the infrared eyes aren't perfect, Face ID will fail after five attempts.
  - shaklee3 8y ago
    I'll let you Google yourself. Other stories include family members unlocking the phones using their face as well. Neither is infallible.
Krasnol 8y ago
Besides the fact that you shouldn't use your fingerprint as an password and that the face ID has been tricked already, I'm not sure what exactly your issue with privacy consent is. You can set the privacy settings individually and if you don't like what an app wants from you, there are always a lot of alternatives and most of them are free. There are also alternative stores like F-Droid. Maybe you should play around with it a little bit more to learn about the possibilities. They excel those of the Iphone by far.

scarface74 8y ago

iOS has worked with Exchange servers since 2009-2010. But a reason to have an iPhone? If you bought an iPhone 5S when it was released in September 2012, and you still own it, you can download iOS 12 next week. How many Android phones from even two years ago are still getting OS updates?

Krasnol 8y ago
> iOS has worked with Exchange servers since 2009-2010. Well, obviously not or I wouldn't have problems... > If you bought an iPhone 5S when it was released in September 2012, and you still own it, you can download iOS 12 next week. Which would be the first one to get five updates. Everything before that, didn't. > How many Android phones from even two years ago are still getting OS updates? I don't know. There are too many. You know, that thing with having a choice and so on.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Well, obviously not or I wouldn't have problems... So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue with your server could it? Which would be the first one to get five updates. Everything before that, didn't. (correction the 5s was released in 2013) iPhone 5 - released in 2012, last update July 2017 iPhone 4s - released on September 2011 - last update August 2016. iPhone 4 - released on June 2010 - Last update June 2014 iPhone 3GS - released June 2009 - last update Feb 2014 I don't know. There are too many. You know, that thing with having a choice and so on. If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices...
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    > So anectodally, you have problems but there hasn’t been any wide spread report of Exchange issues on iOS for almost a decade. It couldn’t possible be an issue with your server could it? "Anecdotally" Everyone I know and works with me as well as several google results point to the same issue. Anecdotally using the same server with a Windows Phone and Android Phone causes no issues at all. Sooo maaaybe it's not the server? > years stapeling Am I supposed to know how many updates there were between those years automatically or how is that related to what I wrote? > If you want an Android phone that gets regularly updates after two to three years, there are no choices... Sure there are. You can take the google brands, motorola or I don't know, just put your own OS on it. Or if you are the usual consumer who just wants to have a new phone every x-years you can just buy two for the price of one IPhone. So many possibilities....