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There was also an "atheist church" in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 I wonder if they were aw

by opaque 8y ago

There was also an "atheist church" in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 I wonder if they were aware the concept has quite a history.

jlpom 8y ago
From the article: > It's a nice excuse to get together and have a bit of a community spirit but without the religion aspect > It's not a church, it's a congregation of unreligious people. Seems more a gathering of same-minded persons than a real cult.
- throwawaymath 8y ago
  What's the jumping off point at which a gathering of like-minded people becomes a cult? Can "cult" be used to describe religious groups (or very zealous factional groups) without the pejorative connotations of the colloquial term? Or is "cult" basically a universally negative appellation?
  - TuGuQuKu 8y ago
    1. You generally require a charismatic, authoritarian leader who has strong central command over the group and whose word is law; tenets that actively lead the congregation to act against their best interests; and a dogmatic belief system with strict limits on interpretation of religious teachings (really just the first point again). 2. The classical definition of "cult" has almost no overlap with today's perjorative evolution of the word and just means a system of worship.
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    No, a cult is like a mental disorder... by definition if it's not causing harm in the person's life it's not a disorder. Many cults disguise themselves as religious groups. Here's some more differentiators, but you can search "warning signs for a cult"... there's no standard list that I'm aware of. - Separating people from their outsider friends&family - Over time absorbing all of member's financial assets - Punishment for leaving - Members discouraged from questioning orthodoxy - Non-volunteer or otherwise coerced unpaid labor - A culture of hiding information from outsiders - The leader has exclusive claim to ultimate truth - Regardless of harm, the leader's behavior is justified
    - checkyoursudo 8y ago
      For me, the biggest warning signs are separating us & them, especially when the them are family outsiders, and punishment for leaving (or other normal behaviors, like associating with outsiders, etc).

by opaque 8y ago

There was also an "atheist church" in London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21319945 I wonder if they were aware the concept has quite a history.

jlpom 8y ago

From the article: > It's a nice excuse to get together and have a bit of a community spirit but without the religion aspect > It's not a church, it's a congregation of unreligious people. Seems more a gathering of same-minded persons than a real cult.

throwawaymath 8y ago
What's the jumping off point at which a gathering of like-minded people becomes a cult? Can "cult" be used to describe religious groups (or very zealous factional groups) without the pejorative connotations of the colloquial term? Or is "cult" basically a universally negative appellation?
- TuGuQuKu 8y ago
  1. You generally require a charismatic, authoritarian leader who has strong central command over the group and whose word is law; tenets that actively lead the congregation to act against their best interests; and a dogmatic belief system with strict limits on interpretation of religious teachings (really just the first point again). 2. The classical definition of "cult" has almost no overlap with today's perjorative evolution of the word and just means a system of worship.
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  No, a cult is like a mental disorder... by definition if it's not causing harm in the person's life it's not a disorder. Many cults disguise themselves as religious groups. Here's some more differentiators, but you can search "warning signs for a cult"... there's no standard list that I'm aware of. - Separating people from their outsider friends&family - Over time absorbing all of member's financial assets - Punishment for leaving - Members discouraged from questioning orthodoxy - Non-volunteer or otherwise coerced unpaid labor - A culture of hiding information from outsiders - The leader has exclusive claim to ultimate truth - Regardless of harm, the leader's behavior is justified
  - checkyoursudo 8y ago
    For me, the biggest warning signs are separating us & them, especially when the them are family outsiders, and punishment for leaving (or other normal behaviors, like associating with outsiders, etc).