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Conservatives are ostensibly opposed to the idea of safe spaces, so how do we reconcile that ideology with the fact that they want safe spaces in communities wh

Conservatives are ostensibly opposed to the idea of safe spaces, so how do we reconcile that ideology with the fact that they want safe spaces in communities where they are the minority?

geebee 8y ago
There may be some ambiguity in the way you're using the phrase "safe space".
Mononokay 8y ago
I hate to generalize; and overall I think the world could do a lot better if we could bait either side into listening to one another, but it's undeniably on average the same reason they want to deny social media companies the right to refrain from serving people they don't want to, but openly advocate for companies being able to not serve LGBT people: "But it's them!"
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morgtheborg 8y ago
> safe spaces I'm not sure "safe space" is the right word. People lose jobs, housing opportunities, and professional connections for being conservative in the Bay Area. There's a damn good reason to be afraid and it isn't about our "feelings". There are professional repercussions.
- root_axis 8y ago
  > People lose jobs, housing opportunities, and professional connections for being conservative in the Bay Area Sounds to me like literally the exact same thing the left claims about being black or a woman in contexts where the conservative ideology is more pervasive.
  - morgtheborg 8y ago
    I'm sure that's true. I haven't personally lived in a conservative area in America for any extended period of time. Hopefully we can both agree these are bad things to occur due to race, gender, sex, political orientation, etc. You should be judged for how you treat and speak to people, not for your political opinions. I've worked with men that genuinely believe that women should not be educated and just stay home with children. Whatever. They treated women well in class and outside of class and THAT is what they should be judged on for jobs, housing, and connections --- not their personal opinions when they vote.
    - root_axis 8y ago
      > I'm sure that's true. I haven't personally lived in a conservative area in America for any extended period of time. Whether its true or not, my point is that the complaint is the same as the one you articulated in your original comment. > You should be judged for how you treat and speak to people, not for your political opinions. Nobody on either side believes this; the right judges the left as communists destroying America and the left judges the right as Nazis destroying America, that's the nature of politics.
      - morgtheborg 8y ago
        > Nobody on either side believes this; the right judges the left as communists destroying America and the left judges the right as Nazis destroying America, that's the nature of politics. This attitude is the exact sort of attitude causing all the problems. And, no, not everyone has it.
        root_axis 8y ago
        It's not an "attitude", it's an observation of fact within the realm of politics. People engaged in political activity are inherently implicated by the rhetoric, philosophy and consequences of the ideals they support, that is the price of taking a stance. This is a non-issue if one simply avoids broadcasting political activity in the workplace and this is true whether you're a conservative in the bay area or a liberal in the heartland.
sdinsn 8y ago
They don't want safe spaces, they just want to be treated equally, no?
- root_axis 8y ago
  The term is used as a pejorative by conservatives so it is expected that they wouldn't use that exact terminology, but "they just want to be treated equally" is the rallying cry of the left and exactly how the left characterizes it even if conservatives don't want to carry the label.
  - sdinsn 8y ago
    The majority of the left does not consider safe spaces to be part of equality. Safe spaces are about segregation, not integration.
    - root_axis 8y ago
      > The majority of the left does not consider safe spaces to be part of equality. Of course they do. Their central claim is that systemic inequality disenfranchises marginalized groups and safe spaces are needed as a counterbalance to oppression. > Safe spaces are about segregation, not integration This is your own political spin, the left definitely does not agree with that characterization.

Conservatives are ostensibly opposed to the idea of safe spaces, so how do we reconcile that ideology with the fact that they want safe spaces in communities where they are the minority?

geebee 8y ago

There may be some ambiguity in the way you're using the phrase "safe space".

Mononokay 8y ago

I hate to generalize; and overall I think the world could do a lot better if we could bait either side into listening to one another, but it's undeniably on average the same reason they want to deny social media companies the right to refrain from serving people they don't want to, but openly advocate for companies being able to not serve LGBT people: "But it's them!"

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morgtheborg 8y ago

> safe spaces I'm not sure "safe space" is the right word. People lose jobs, housing opportunities, and professional connections for being conservative in the Bay Area. There's a damn good reason to be afraid and it isn't about our "feelings". There are professional repercussions.

root_axis 8y ago
> People lose jobs, housing opportunities, and professional connections for being conservative in the Bay Area Sounds to me like literally the exact same thing the left claims about being black or a woman in contexts where the conservative ideology is more pervasive.
- morgtheborg 8y ago
  I'm sure that's true. I haven't personally lived in a conservative area in America for any extended period of time. Hopefully we can both agree these are bad things to occur due to race, gender, sex, political orientation, etc. You should be judged for how you treat and speak to people, not for your political opinions. I've worked with men that genuinely believe that women should not be educated and just stay home with children. Whatever. They treated women well in class and outside of class and THAT is what they should be judged on for jobs, housing, and connections --- not their personal opinions when they vote.
  - root_axis 8y ago
    > I'm sure that's true. I haven't personally lived in a conservative area in America for any extended period of time. Whether its true or not, my point is that the complaint is the same as the one you articulated in your original comment. > You should be judged for how you treat and speak to people, not for your political opinions. Nobody on either side believes this; the right judges the left as communists destroying America and the left judges the right as Nazis destroying America, that's the nature of politics.
    - morgtheborg 8y ago
      > Nobody on either side believes this; the right judges the left as communists destroying America and the left judges the right as Nazis destroying America, that's the nature of politics. This attitude is the exact sort of attitude causing all the problems. And, no, not everyone has it.
      - root_axis 8y ago
        It's not an "attitude", it's an observation of fact within the realm of politics. People engaged in political activity are inherently implicated by the rhetoric, philosophy and consequences of the ideals they support, that is the price of taking a stance. This is a non-issue if one simply avoids broadcasting political activity in the workplace and this is true whether you're a conservative in the bay area or a liberal in the heartland.

sdinsn 8y ago

They don't want safe spaces, they just want to be treated equally, no?

root_axis 8y ago
The term is used as a pejorative by conservatives so it is expected that they wouldn't use that exact terminology, but "they just want to be treated equally" is the rallying cry of the left and exactly how the left characterizes it even if conservatives don't want to carry the label.
- sdinsn 8y ago
  The majority of the left does not consider safe spaces to be part of equality. Safe spaces are about segregation, not integration.
  - root_axis 8y ago
    > The majority of the left does not consider safe spaces to be part of equality. Of course they do. Their central claim is that systemic inequality disenfranchises marginalized groups and safe spaces are needed as a counterbalance to oppression. > Safe spaces are about segregation, not integration This is your own political spin, the left definitely does not agree with that characterization.