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You’re using one normalized stat to come to a conclusion of “not bad”? Many teachers get $0 or a pittance for supplies and have to spend from their own salary

You’re using one normalized stat to come to a conclusion of “not bad”? Many teachers get $0 or a pittance for supplies and have to spend from their own salary so other people’s kids to have access to learning activities and materials. They’re spending their days dealing with a room full of emotionally selfish brats. You think they grade all that homework from 8-3? Nope. Many spend dozens of hours working outside the classroom. Meanwhile, I’ve worked with dozens of coders who contribute jack squat, but earn &100k+. Coders who often could be replaced with a few git clone ops and a Squarespace front end if companies weren’t obsessed with re-inventing the wheel, or over fetishing their web ui which really just follows one of 6 common looks. Quite simply our economics around who gets paid are effed. There are few tech folks that couldn’t be replaced by thousands of other workers who are just as capable at churning out CRUD app after CRUD app Smart and capable people that might be interested in teaching the next generation if the pay didn’t suck given the expectations put on them

phil21 8y ago
> have to spend from their own salary so other people’s kids to have access to learning activities and materials. I can not describe in words how much I hate this utter false narrative. Stop giving money for this bullshit and it instantly stops within 24 months. Period. It only continues because of wording like "have to" in these sort of posts. No, they don't have no. If they didn't, schools would pick up the insanely trivial cost of these items. This is not a source of school funding issues. 99% of parents can figure out where to get an extra $50 over the course of a school year if they care even a tiny little bit. The 80/20 rule you describe holds true almost everywhere in life. 20% of the people on the planet do 80% of the work, that's how it always has been and always will be. Unfortunately compensation will never properly align. > Smart and capable people that might be interested in teaching the next generation if the pay didn’t suc This has almost nothing to do with the pay, and everything to do with how shitty the job is. I'd educate smart motivated kids with parents who would kick their ass at home for a very marginal salary - it's fulfilling and interesting. Public school in the US as it's practiced today? I'm not sure you could offer me enough money to do such a thing. I'd rather retire today than take such a job at 4x my current pay. Perhaps solve that last paragraph of mine and we could actually fix education in this country. Edit: tldr; we agree for the most part but I'm much more militant in nature :)

phil21 8y ago

> have to spend from their own salary so other people’s kids to have access to learning activities and materials. I can not describe in words how much I hate this utter false narrative. Stop giving money for this bullshit and it instantly stops within 24 months. Period. It only continues because of wording like "have to" in these sort of posts. No, they don't have no. If they didn't, schools would pick up the insanely trivial cost of these items. This is not a source of school funding issues. 99% of parents can figure out where to get an extra $50 over the course of a school year if they care even a tiny little bit. The 80/20 rule you describe holds true almost everywhere in life. 20% of the people on the planet do 80% of the work, that's how it always has been and always will be. Unfortunately compensation will never properly align. > Smart and capable people that might be interested in teaching the next generation if the pay didn’t suc This has almost nothing to do with the pay, and everything to do with how shitty the job is. I'd educate smart motivated kids with parents who would kick their ass at home for a very marginal salary - it's fulfilling and interesting. Public school in the US as it's practiced today? I'm not sure you could offer me enough money to do such a thing. I'd rather retire today than take such a job at 4x my current pay. Perhaps solve that last paragraph of mine and we could actually fix education in this country. Edit: tldr; we agree for the most part but I'm much more militant in nature :)